comma ai How can driving be better

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We got a Kama over here. Um, oh, look at the pedals. Here are some pedals for some cars. So, the one on the left is a Honda pedal and the one on the right is a Toyota pedal. Who is disappointed by the Toyota pedal? Look at it. It's kind of disappointing looking. How much hardware products is too much when you have enough hardware to make your car well to make driving better? And that's really what we're here to talk about tonight. It's got a greenish tint to my camera, so the white balance isn't working well. Um yeah, we just uh everyone got $100 to improve uh their desk. They can even spend it on chachkis like Bab bobbleheads. That's okay. That's okay. Um we have this is a this is the this is the ECU that I bricked in the Toyota. Um I unbrricked the one that's in there, but I bought a spare one. Okay, let's get to the main topic. How can driving be better? This is really We're going to try to have a conversation on Periscope. I don't know if this is going to work. But the two things that I think of when I think about driving, I think about it's it's a lot of boredom interspersed with a few moments of stress. So maybe you can focus on these two is like kind of different regimes. You want to alleviate the boredom and you want to I I think what you really want to do about the stress part is you want to alert in advance, right? things are a lot less stressful if you know you're going to get an alert beforehand um that something's about to about to happen, right? The real the real thing that keeps you on edge and kind of what anxiety itself is is a fear of the fear of kind of the unknown like you know that you might have to do something but you're not exactly sure what. Uh fear is like oh I'm afraid literally that there might be you know a mugger down that alley, right? You're actually afraid of something. Anxiety is you're just walking down the street and something feels a little bit off, right? So, so stress stress and and and well, anxiety leads to stress, right? So, how can driving be better? We have to work on alleviating boredom and alleviating stress. See, gamification I wonder about that. I wonder if that's the idea. Um, if you want to gamify like maybe it makes it more exciting. So, okay, we we we'll add we'll add that as an idea. Like, how can we make driving more exciting? Is that what we want to do in the first place, right? Like, there's kind of two paths maybe you can take. If you guys read Alex Royy's article about like the human driving rights manifesto, I thought a lot of it was kind of eh, but um well, games cause stress, but I don't think they cause anxiety, right? Um so so you know this stress leads to anxiety and this is a big problem in the modern world and really what we want to eliminate right um dopamine release when uncertainty rewards. Yeah. I mean it's kind of true and that's kind of that's kind of sketchy. I'm sick of wasting my time driving. I mean yeah that comes really back to the boredom factor, right? Like the idea that driving is a waste of time really has to do with boredom. Um so I don't know. I mean, I don't know about about uh about more exciting and I shouldn't put a line to anxiety because we haven't eliminated it yet. So, we will erase the line and we will come back up and uh yeah. Okay. Um yeah. Did you guys like the last Periscope by the way that we had an actual like the rest of the phone up against something so people could so people could see? How do you guys feel about that? But okay. So, boredom. People want to drive less. Hello, JustJ Jess. Uh, now this is this is there's lots of like this is scenarios that are particularly boring. Um, long drives in the highway when you're not doing much. Camera like this was great. Okay. Um, yeah. Okay. I mean, you guys probably can't see the board then. Oh, and now I can't see anything for Periscope. Yeah, the front camera. Okay. You guys like the front camera. Um, we can we can we can go here. Life swings like a pendulum backward and forward between pain and boredom. That's a that's an all right quote. Um, but okay. So, how can driving be better? We want to People like the rant ones more. The rant ones get a lot more views. This isn't a rant. This is talking about improving the world, people. Um, now see, this is hard to do. Like you can see me now, but it's hard for me to hold the phone out here. Okay, let's go back. So, so, so let let's do you guys agree that there are so boredom I mean a fix for boredom maybe we'll we'll do it like that. Like a fix for boredom would be to make driving uh more exciting and a fix for for stress and anxiety is basically reliable alerting. Um, if you know, I mean, you might become anxious about the alert, but that has more to do with how the alert is designed, right? If the alert is like something terrible might happen in 10 minutes, then of course you're going to have a stressful 10 minutes, right? But if the alert is, you know, literally in 15 seconds, you know, that guy is looks like he's coming in too fast. Um, just make sure you hit the brakes, so you do this. As long as it tells you exactly what to do and you're you're good about that, right? And this is obviously all before we get to level four or five because you know that stuff is mostly uh it's mostly fake news um when you're in a way most cars not it's not safer than people right it's it's not it may be cheaper than people but it's not safer than people plan exchange responsibility of driving AI drive for easy parts only make it commitment I don't really know what that means um so well the other solution is the other solution instead of more exciting to the boarding problem is something else, right? Like what if people could just do something else way? What's that? Like lai, like the PewDiePie thing. Um, and the solution to to stress and anxiety is is is reliable alerting. So now what would it take? Well, okay. So more exciting can just get work done while driving, right? So, so maybe maybe um you know this is more exciting you can do easily with level two right like you don't need you just want to make something more exciting you can you can ship ways and that's effectively you think of ways I mean ways as a driving assistant right we don't think of ourselves as really that different from from ways yeah naps fall in the realm of something else so that would be level three level three is um you know when the car gives you enough of a warning to my waking up for a nap is kind of uh it's kind of loud yeah shout out to energy for getting the reported. Uh, that's awesome if it's done. Wait, wait. How'd you do that? I thought the Camry I think there's a bounty for that one, right? That one doesn't have a DSU. If someone managed to get one of the undsu the DSUS cars working, we'll do a we'll do a bounty. Um, but yeah, so reliable alerting depends how reliable. Just lateral. Okay. Um, reliable alerting is is L2 and L3 and L4 depending on how reliable uh you want. I guess actually L3 is already full reliability. Um, L4 would actually be able to do the scenario for you. Um, maybe yeah, if you want alerting, it's L2. If you want reliable, it's L3. Uh, still using stock ACC. Okay, so it's using lateral with with stock ACC. That's pretty cool. That is pretty cool. Maybe that's half the bounty. I don't know. No, I don't think that's about I think the longitudinal is the hard part. Um but uh yeah, radarless stuff coming Sunday. Um but yeah. Okay. So, how can driving be better? We want to do Am I missing something on like the bad column? Some roads are L2, some roads never L4. Am I missing the like maybe, you know, we'll we'll divide this. I just got new markers, which I'm really excited about. Look, I have like all the colors of the marker spectrum. Um, so that is very exciting. Uh, okay. Maybe over here on this side we'll put the problem and over here on this side we'll put the solution. Will there be alerts when no lanes are detected? No, lanes are going to go away. Lanes are stupid. Will there be alerts when it's not confident? Yeah, there should be. There should be and we can we can work on that kind of stuff. Um but yeah, so am I missing anything in my in my taxonomy? Like what's what else is wrong with driving? Think about the city. You're constantly having to pay attention to seven different things or you think about driving on the highway and just you know the crushing the crushing boredom of that. Um, suggestions, people, suggestions, people, other drivers. The problem is other drivers. Well, I mean, I don't think other drivers cause boredom. I think I think other drivers fall into the stress and anxiety category, right? You're you're stressful or anxious about what other people are going to do. Um, Uber drivers, attention divide. Yeah. Inability to be otherwise productive. So that's that's that's a boredom thing, right? That's that's that's the boredom problem with driving. Always other drivers. Yeah. Other drivers are terrible. I mean, you know, people like break down problems. Like people talk about this like in in politics. Um you know, there's three types of solutions. There's solutions that need few to buy in. There's solutions that need many to buy in and solutions that need everyone to buy in. The former are likely to happen. The second are unlikely to happen. And the last is completely impossible. you'll never ever get any everyone to buy in. You'll always get defectors. So, I don't know what we can really do about other drivers, right? But we can put it over there in the problems. Um I mean, you know, you can have like stupid crap like like, you know, maybe Nexar will say like, "Oh, well, you know, we're going to build up a database of drivers and then the thing will alert you when other bad drivers are in the area." I don't know about that. Like, it's just not going to be it's not going to be it's not going to be good. You're not going to be able to do that kind of stuff. Well, um, detours, construction. Well, is that a problem? Yeah, potholes. Actually, that's a good one. That's a good one. What what potholes and stuff fall into is the problem is like the physical motion of the vehicle, right? And bumpiness. And that's fixable through a lot of electronic solutions. Um, potholes is comfort. Yeah. like like motion, bumpiness, comfort, um other drivers and traffic. Again, the problem with even like really thinking about that is that's not solutions that you can that you can individually build. And anything that requires buyin from a lot or everyone is absolutely impossible. Um so I I think that we're just going to strike that one off the list because I mean here's the thing, right? There's a certain symmetry in other drivers which is you know everyone hates other drivers but you are an other driver. um scope of what you look at. I'm not sure what that means, but but this can be this can be fixed, right? So, this can be fixed with better controls. This can be fixed with active suspension pension. Um there's cars that are doing it. I think the Maybach has this like dual camera system that's supposedly reading the road as you go. I I don't know if uh if that if that works. Field of view of human versus machine. So field of view is not like field of view is a problem. I mean it's not a problem with driving. Um it's a problem with specific implementations of driving you guys. Like you know field of view is is it's a really easy thing to fix. Just stick more cameras on the car. Notice how Tesla has solved the field of view problem. Yet autopilot is still about as good as open pilot. It's It's not The problem isn't more cameras. I mean, the solution, sorry, not the solution is not more cameras, but like field of view is not really a problem. Um, but yeah, the motion bumpiness and comfort, that's that's a good one. That's a good one. You can literally make the car experience better. We can do this by breaking better. We can do this by, you know, if you're localized well enough, you can avoid potholes. I you can like have a database. You can know exactly where the potholes are. You can active detect, right? Um, I mean, think about it. If you guys have gone skiing, you know, uh, you always head for the smooth snow, right? So, you can detect smooth road. That's that's an interesting it's an interesting like cost you can put into your driving optimizer. What? You're having trouble spending your $100? I'm at 60. Did you buy a lot of chis? Identify potholes. Notify the city. Again, I really couldn't care less about like, you know, fixing the problem like that. I think identify pothole, drive around pothole. That's what humans do. But what if you did that every time? And what if like you could like drive around micro potholes and stuff, too? What? I'm going to I'm going to talk to the city. Oh, I'm going to like Oh, yeah. I'm going to talk to the SF mayor. This sucks. What sucks? This Periscope. Sorry. You don't have to watch. Go watch PewDiePie videos. They're pretty fun. Um, but yeah. So, what what is the question? I mean, what else? What else? I I liked the motion, bumpiness, comfort. Yeah, that's a problem with driving, right? So, what else? What else? How can driving be better? That's the question. It's at the top. It's a little bit washed out by the lights. What are we doing here? Well, you know what we're doing. I mean, everybody saw the Gen Zero hardware. demoed it at Vegas. Everybody's noise cancellation. I like that one. Uh drinks. I mean, that's a that's a that's a uh Wait, let's let's uh wait. Sorry. What was what was that before? What was the one I liked before? Drinks. Periscope doesn't let me scroll up. Um I liked that. Waste less fuel. Okay. Okay. Cost. Yeah. Um, in general, people are willing to trade off cost for convenience almost always. So, I'm not sure how much can really be done there. Oh, what was the one I liked? I forget it. I was going to write it. Who said it? Um, yeah. But what are we doing here? So, save gas. Yeah. Yeah. Cost like Yeah, you could say save gas, right? I mean, you know, again, no one really cares about the environment. Some people will signal that they care about the environment. Oh, I didn't get water at the restaurant. I'm saving the job. Ability to pee in a car. Noise. Oh, noise. Yeah. I mean, noise probably falls into the motion bumpiness and comfort kind of one. Um, so apparently like uh the Acura has has&c stuff. Um like Oh, drains without making a mess. Yeah, that falls under motion bumpiness, comfort, give AI personality. Nobody wants that. Um every Oh, come on, Clippy. Oh, it looks like you're writing a letter. Oh, an animated paper clip. Um, keeping sensor clear in bad weather. That's mean that's not a problem with driving. That's a problem. That's an implementation problem. The question we're asking here is how can driving be better? Distance. I mean, [Laughter] get rid of Subaru. Distance. That's an interesting one. I mean, actually, you know, that's a good one. I I forget distance. I mean, you don't care about distance. you care about time. If we could figure out how to get people time back so they spend less time in a car, that's good. Um, a lot of nav systems are trying to do that, but they're not that good. Oo, I like that one. I like that one. Um, accident avoidance. Yeah, I mean that's that falls under that falls under stress anxiety. Anticipate stop lights. Yeah, again, stress anxiety. Make driving easier. I mean, what do you mean by make driving easier, right? Like what's hard about it? What are the problems? Problem is it takes time. Problem is it costs money. Um the problem is that the the ride is uncomfortable. The problem is parts of it are stressful. The problem is parts of it are boring. Raise speed limit. Again, the last thing I ever want to do with my life is ask government for anything. So what will never work to raise speed limits? Um I don't know. I don't know why the speed limits are what they are. I don't really know who sets them. I don't know if it's uh Keep me in a better lane, not behind this idiot. I mean, yeah. Yeah. That that falls into like that is something, right? And and that is something it's similar to motion, comfort, bumpiness, noise. But some of those are more characteristics of the car. Maybe maybe we'll call that one skill, right? like unskilled drivers, you know, the kind of person who like slams the brakes and sell your driving data. It's not for sale, bros. Um, auto drive though, or save on insurance cost. Yeah, I'll put that under cost. Save gas. Here's generally how I feel about cost savings, though. Like, I don't think that that very often drives the calculus of many things. The number one thing that makes people do something more is if it's more convenient, right? Right. And everyone is like startup stuff. You got you got to think this way. Push bad drivers off the road. Um what's the question? The question is how can driving be better? Um yeah. So skill and I think skill is kind of what you're getting at with the uh you know you want to not stay behind like a bad driver, right? Auto react to stock cars. Again, these are these are implementation things, right? Don't don't worry about that. Think about the the the highle problem of how can driving be better? Or maybe maybe I'll phrase it in a different way. What's bad about driving? Keep driver engaged. Why? Um is that a problem? Like is that a is that a something bad about driving? Um it cost save gas insurance do all those things if you could use less time. I mean this is really like you know magic nav we'll call maybe that's what we'll call magic nav. Maybe that is what we'll build with all of our maps. Um, driving involves attention. Yeah, driving involves attention. I mean, that's the that's the boredom problem, right? You falling asleep while driving. I mean, yeah, there's movies on the display. Yeah. I mean, that all falls under the something else category. Like, how do we uh Someone's getting a call. Um, too many unwanted updates and no options for customization. Yeah. You rather not be engaged. Yeah, I'd rather not be engaged. I don't know what unwanted updates to cars to open pilot. Um, customization is not something people really want. Like people might say they want customization, but in general, like the only reason people want customization. The only people people reason people jailbroke their iPhones, I mean, there was the piracy reason, but it really wasn't piracy in the beginning. And now you can still pirate and almost nobody jailbreaks. Um, it's because it was missing features, right? Like there were key features missing from the iPhone that you had to jailbreak for. Uh sense mechanical problems before they happened. Okay. Breakdowns. Yay. Yeah, we can we can put that. We can put that like reliability breakdown kind of stuff. Um ability breakdown. I don't know if I'd really call that driving though, right? Because that's once you're off the road. But yeah, I guess it improves the whole car experience. Um, I could care less about remembering the positions of my seats and my preference in music. Yeah. I mean, honestly, universal income was that shit. No, you want universal basic jobs. You don't want universal basic income, right? You got to give people jobs. People need something to do. You want to make money, you got to do something, right? Uh, universal basic job. Anticipatory understanding. Yeah. I mean, that's to reduce stress and anxiety. So maybe we'll put that as like it's not just reliable alerting, but it's like I mean alerting is maybe too strong of a word. Reliable communication is maybe the key here. Communication with the car. Yeah. Anxiety about safety, dear ice. Um all right. Okay. No one's hacking your car over the internet. That's fake news. Don't read the media. You read the media and then people get stupid things in their mind, right? Um V2V, we can talk about my V2V is dumb in a minute. Like deer and ice are actually problems. Let me tell you, in my life, I've had to swerve to avoid deer and I've slid on ice. These are real problems. I've experienced them. H Let's see. My car has never hacked been hacked. And I don't know anyone whose car has ever been hacked. I know tons of people who've hit deer and crashed because of ice. So those are real problems. And that's you can tell something's real or not, right? like you know it's it's hard in today's world of uh massive massive amounts of information. So like V2V is not a I'm not understanding any of these requiring V2V to solve, right? V2V are you know I always talk about how the Eon already has V2V uh you know it looks at the brake lights of a of a problem. Pedestrians are a problem. I mean pedestrians are a problem in the same way other drivers are a problem. So we'll add it to the crossed out one on cyclists. Nobody likes cyclists man. It doesn't matter where you're pedestrian or and no one like oh cyclists. over V2V chat of passengers. You have this, bros. It's called text messaging. Everyone does it while they drive. They shouldn't, but they do. What can you do? It's convenient, right? Um, keyless is a problem. Yeah, keyless. Actually, I shouldn't say that my car's never been hacked. It's never been hacked like that, but it was almost stolen once. Um, yeah, there's the interface. I mean, the interface is bad. Yeah. Yeah, we'll add that. Yeah. Um, bad interface. Uh, see, does it go under any of these? No. No, I don't think so. But like, yeah, bad interface. I I I totally agree with that. Um, we can we can we can we can fix them. What else? What else we got? What else we got? Yoga while driving. It all falls under the something else category in the boredom. I don't care what you do. You know, people like who think about self-driving cars will think about stuff like, "Oh, well, you know, we should figure out what the driver should do when they're not driving." What? They're going to use their phone, bro. What do they do when they have a minute to sit there? What do people do on the train? Whatever. Yeah, exactly. Drinking and driving. Of course. Of course. That's what people want to do, right? Just look at a train. Whatever people do on a train is exactly what they're going to do in a self-driving car, right? I I don't get it. Like, people think it's going to be new. Yeah. Massage seats. You can buy a car with massage sheets. Just don't be poor in car bar. Yeah, these aren't like Okay, fine. You know what has bars in it? Trades. Is it working well? Not yet. Some of these have good ideas. We got We get We got get a whole We got a whole lot of stuff. Yeah. Um and I'm going to put this I'm going to put this on our on on our wiki on our internal wiki afterward. Accurate GPS and vehicle sensors. Yeah. Yeah. There's a whole lot of ways to mitigate sliding on ice. I mean, in some ways, like ice is already dealt with, if you guys have used a modern traction control system, it's super good at dealing with this and like deer probably already dealt with by AB uh by sorry uh emergency AEB. Sorry, the acronyms are hard to keep straight. Um, so there already are like pretty good solutions for those. And like honestly, those things have I've never I've never been in a car during an AE, but I've been in a car plenty of times for for traction control. And uh I I just sort of wonder how people, you know, didn't go off the road in some scenarios before it. Gamification. Yeah, it falls onto the boredom problem. Like make driving more exciting. I don't know. Like you're not going to be able to compete with Candy Crush, right? So why not just let people play Candy Crush? That's probably the better way to deal with the gamification thing, right? You know, yeah, augmented reality game for driving and then let somebody else, you know, put it this way. Let Niantech build the driving game once the self-driving car already exists. Make driving great again. Um, I don't think driving was ever great. I think driving is better than it ever was right now. Um, what you think of Ipace? I don't know what an iPace is. Is that like a pacemaker made by Apple? iPace. I trust I trust that anace would probably be pretty nice. If I needed to get a pacemaker, I would probably get an IPAC. Okay, guys. The board is pretty full. We're almost at 30 minutes. Thank you for joining. Make sure to hit that that subscribe button. Legalize go-karts. You should lobby your local people. Jaguar. Do you mean the animal or the car? Yeah. Get a new car. Stop being poor. You know, it's something we always say. Uh comma steering. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, we'll start with the comma pedal. Uh comma pedals in good progress, but um Yep. Yep. Yep. Elect Oh, electronic tolls. I mean again the problem with electronic tolls is yeah that would make it better but it requires governments um building new models okay models are models will come in time. Um thank you for joining the how can driving be better uh periscope old cars with steering eject button. Okay okay okay future I bet they have one of those. Get a eject button in your truck. All right. 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