comma ai This is the last one

Key Takeaways

i think we might have not that much service what time is it early we're a little early we keep doing all of our presentations contenders have been sold out all through the country and airpods oh and our floods are also do you want a buttermilk if you right now have buttermilk crispy tenders and air pods you're really doing well for yourself um i love the two for dollar apple pies yeah i'm surprised you didn't get that i just saw it yeah we're literally no but honestly after the rv's apple turnovers today yeah i ate too many rpgs no we're not bringing any sauces in the nice pot we're going to eat these yes we're eating them in the car yes thank you thank you um everyone just grab a grab a 10 knots give us a try no we don't need to try it check out my 10 nuggets i don't think i don't think she was happy that we were on the person no she was not she did not you should have asked me and we didn't you love i love eminem mcflurry's too eminem employees are great unit here's our license plate should have got to go we did get it to go they messed up our order it's all right though it's all right it's the same thing because we took you to go anywhere what oh i didn't unlock the car guys yeah i know look look they're cold how long should we keep them cold for got warm nuggets oh we got super likes oh i can't even get up my nuggets i'm holding the periscope all right oh okay no sauce in the car all right i'm handing you all back to vivian yeah oh the drive through oh no i like going in we have to pee too all right so you see our destination is the lacroix wellness center what's that i don't see that not what dude we show for so many things packing cubes are great is it too much to buy amazon basics fast to be honest guys this is our last periscope there'll be no shelling yeah um just just just reflections on the tour uh we would guys come ai's not shutting down there is no way in hell it's all in jail to be honest let's be real um because let me tell you who i draw life inspiration from captain on a fake show in a movie called galaxy quest and his saying is never give up never surrender yeah nice and that's the truth um we came we saw the concrete never give up never surrender we know we're in a real place because there's an applebee's here applebee's where is the tesla supercharger someone just mentioned they saw it and i can't find it you see one here oh there it is oh my god wow three people joining for our last back up no really there's no chilling on this one no emotional blackmail we never give it up we're gonna win as much as i might want to give up my life would be a lot easier what do you feel my life could be so easy you guys it's so easy easy's boring you feel shame i don't even think i feel shame and guilt i don't really feel those things what i would feel is just kind of like bored yeah because the truth is the only thing that's exciting in life is when new things come out of nowhere yeah right and wait can we open this roof i think we'll get more light for the viewers there we go i'm really on did anyone have any new experiences on this tour they'd like to share um i got into a deep dark hole when we talked about life we talked about neo-reactionaries would you talk about neo-reaction reaction areas that was cool question existence question it's just a new way of thinking about things we had good talks yeah yeah what else what do we learn what else do we learn we did talk about the silent scope session yeah we did we reflected on it absolutely eddie's parents were concerned [Music] well we're really being real on this shout out to mr and mrs samuels for watching right yeah right george did you have any uh reflections you wanted to share no i really just like what i was saying yesterday about i'm not sure i want to be a rapper when i grow up yeah i'm not sure i could go around the country from place to place and perform the same songs over and over again yeah i mean it's kind of what it feels like and i don't know that's something that's always been really hard for me um to like do the same thing twice and not be bored the second time maybe it's a good thing but um it just means i'm not really cut out to be a touring rapper sure there are rappers who do not yeah yeah your studio rapper i don't know life is kind of hard to miserable but um now to be real we probably will do this next year again um the car will drive better hopefully left some corporate sponsorship yeah remember that's sponsored by like the hilton i don't know right you know they're helping us out um but no don't don't don't feel pressure to buy our products we're not actually going out of business well i mean we want people to buy stuff that chop that comment really only if you want it yeah do you guys know what a return policy is like if you get it you don't like to send it back before we find out if we do common hoodies shit well they'll ship as soon as we get back in the room yeah we didn't bring any hoodies with us yeah we should have but we're running low on them we forgot yeah we are running low and that's why prices aren't going off oh it's supposed to texture there scoping yeah scoping did you guys have any reflections one of the last two nuggets more nuggets in there even yeah wow 20 is a lot of nuggets but it's only one cent more than 10. i know no after here it was 449 for ten dollars wow san francisco what's been our favorite part of the trip so far i think we all can easily agree little america's 75 cent coast america a little america to stop between it wasn't about yeah wait before denver it wasn't about cones it was about you scopes weren't with us that night no there was about almost dying on the highway yeah you know yeah we're driving yeah we're driving through the snow storm and ice the car's really safe the story's really sad was the the fear of almost dying but there's a few of them almost dying and then ending up in this small little oasis called little america for 57 people guys we can't even stop we're showing for things someone just said yeah i was all in then out now back all in i just ordered a new car to make this all possible how do you separate that from shilling right what's the definition how can you even communicate genuine emotions you're trolling when you chill you don't genuinely feel loved your bitcoin cash no no i don't but you genuinely feel love for little america yeah but that's the thing like how can you communicate the difference right in a world so saturated with fakeness is it real what is a show i don't know it's just that word accomplice of a hawker gambler or swindler i mean who acts as an enthusiastic customer to entice or encourage others yeah so it has to be deceptively promoting something we're not shooting um there's this song uh marine tigers by the world is a beautiful place i'm no longer afraid to die and they have a have a line i really like in itself george why you said simulation won't win i don't want to talk about that but um you know can you still call it a country if all the states are broken can you still call it a business if all you do is steal yeah um that's kind of how i feel a lot of uh about a lot of businesses today why do i feel simulation momentum because where does the simulator come from right you have to code the simulator in the same way you know hand-coded driving cars won't win hand-coded simulators won't win for the same reason right it's vision it's graphics instead of vision graphics is still kind of still kind of hard that's right you get all the last cases yeah but you know i'm going to reflect on reflecting is there anymore is that the last nugget how many nuggets oh last nugget which one can we 2018 good luck doing that good luck and when you do it'll be the best looking car out there who's realness go home reflect on this year try to write a song about it yeah i'm gonna do it at home you have a keyboard guys i hope you're seeing that sunset in the uh in the side mirror man i'm getting good at filming these periscopes [Music] yeah it's always kind of depressing to drive to the east for this reason you're driving away from the light yeah i mean yeah i feel like more go to new york city all right are you flying back to florida yeah fly to new york what's going on yeah on saturday i'm chilling from chicago for a little bit i've never been to chicago [Music] you know i'm in new york city no i never miss chicago yeah way more than sf well the problem with sf is you have you have no diversity there's very little diversity in san francisco yeah uh you know diversity of thought everyone admits that's true no i mean it's absolutely true right and and what you get when you lack diversity is extremism and that's kind of what you see in san francisco it's sad uh you know you don't have this in new york new york i think things are pretty well balanced so extreme positions are ridiculed as they should be and uh you know everyone's kind of kind of pushed to the middle and a common ground and you really do have a lot of common ground between new yorkers yeah we're in san francisco you just have these these sub-factions that that hate each other yeah um you know something else we were talking about i think you can look at the two sides the uh political spectrum this year one side was maybe driven by a hate for like you know immigrants and the other side was driven by a hate for the rich um and i think both of these are proxies for well what's going to be hated in 2020 and it's going to be technology um you're already starting to see it there was a wired article this morning i think that's going to pick up you're going to start to see real uh hatred of technology and i am deep down you know curious as to why um if if ai does take all of your jobs well isn't that a good thing but i'm just a out of touch startup bro right you're the bad guy george i am the bad guy but um you know i never said i was the good guy i'm just a guy i'm the guy sometimes good sometimes [Music] has a great track at the end of the card or three don't get it where he goes into this of people yeah it's just like you know i am just human and i don't know if that's inherently good or inherently bad but yeah yeah we're fans [Music] things will also get much cheaper yeah i mean just the theory as well like once once once the machines are cheaper than we just ate a whole chicken's worth of nuggets for five dollars right so the same is going to be true when ai replaces all the jobs right so you won't need anything does everyone feel like kind of kind of fall from those nuggets i feel i mean i feel a little disgusting but like i feel also kind of full right i got good calories it's meat i know i gotta eat vegetables sculpey's but uh we need some greens some greens yeah it's hard to eat greens on the road it is hard to eat greens on the roads they should make some astronaut broccoli yeah like why does mcdonald's just smell like raw kale well yeah you can talk about whether it's expensive like that's one of the theories i've heard but i wonder more if it's that's really not what people are going to buy yeah i don't know oh yeah people the expensive part is that it goes bad it does go bad it's a lot easier to ship nuggets buttermilk chicken tenders are out of stock all over america yeah everywhere we went they look great do we want no i don't think so our trucks do but a lot of them are 24 volts don't plug a panda in you can't actually yeah they would launch there's a notch in the 24 volt obviously no gorilla of course would know oh yeah yeah i don't know what the buses are on planes there's not that many interfaces no i'm sure there's a lot of ecu's from like like at least like a seven like a seven eighty seven yeah but i was thinking like a small point that's like playing like a two-seater plane was probably not like like an old cessna 172. yeah i don't know those planes are old oh that that's literally it's like you know there's a little there's a linkage yeah i don't even know if there's hydraulic boost i think like you're making the flap go up by pushing on this shit yeah yeah no i mean a modern 747 probably have this kid something like that probably yeah yeah i think helicopter oh i love caffeine water water joe in minneapolis we could have visited water drought rods are electric on most plants no not like a cessna not like an old cessna uh sure sure most new players like if you you're talking like you know big jumbo jets yeah they're fly by wire control surfaces on small planes well like the thing about wires do you mean a like piece of piano wire i don't know control control surfaces on small planes are literally a linkage i think maybe new ones are different but um yeah you know i think you're like oh we lost the rudder okay climb out kind of just like push on it a little bit right it kind of works that works i think that's happened um so we fixed it now look i can press the cruise control button to change to reset the the health bar that was a little change we made trying to get this release out tonight or maybe tomorrow next time yeah this is just this is just just realness not silent it's not like the periscope last night maybe this is a pretty good last one yeah got to come you gotta put it back in no i was fine we still had to go across wellness center of course what do you think's today i'll find out in 105 miles are people pretty quiet yeah pretty quiet a little too much steering on this turn oh a little lower it's hard it's like impossible to see the wheels so i'm just showing the system and no you're not quiet well you're asking some questions but like you know like how are we gonna support planes and i was like no they're gonna support planes no you know what actually someone should really build um so in small planes the number one cause of crash is controlled flight into terrain i mean that is exactly what it sounds like you crashed into a mountain in a completely working plane but at first you think you know that was really dumb why'd you crash into the mountain and the problem is this you look and you see a mountain in the distance right you can't exactly estimate sort of what your climb rate is but you're like okay we'll fly over mountain but say the mountain has like you know 2 000 feet over here or a thousand feet over you and your climb rate is only like 400 feet per minute well if you only have two minutes until impact that's not going to work so what you really want to do is turn around um somebody should make an app that you can run that just you know we have great terrain maps this is such you know such a preventable accident wondering about uh getting calibration otherwise what did what they say apparently they like you you know they didn't explicitly say that like you better be bishops like they did well we got we got someone out there who was team vip notice anything different about the performance of the trip compared to sf experiences some states nevada it had issues um but other than that yeah the right lane in nevada was about three times as thick as it is now thank you the model it just this is a more predictable safety model what is this their mode sorry to safety mode you can read the code for it it's it's pretty well documented whatever oh yeah i'm going to ban you just kidding people are entitled you're entitled to your own opinion but you're not entitled to your own facts thanks no don't worry i'm not gonna ban you i wouldn't do that i do ban the boss how hard will sometimes be in new york city [Music] no where do you want to self-drive the truth about self-driving is it's pretty boring and when it actually like is working well safe driving is boring what did you uh um name this george name what name of periscope the last one the last one i think okay someone asked the last one what what's the last periscope of our tour i'm glad you blocked that autonomous safety lawyer dude did we oh did we watch on twitter oh i block people on twitter who pissed me off yeah really i think i like that no i mean the thing is like um they're just out there you know they're like just like like the know you can't kind of people okay i mean maybe we can't you might be right but you're not adding anything to the conversation by saying that right yeah just saying no you can't now if you have like critical feedback that's always welcome but if you just have hate i mean blocked haters haters get blocked yeah critical feedback's always welcome unless you're funny if you're funny oh yeah yeah then you have a redeeming quality right you give us entertainment yeah funny funny haters are you gonna block funny haters we've done a lot of stuff we've done a lot of stops touring is kind of exhausting we really really really want to tour through the middle of the country you know what i mean i would love to see the juicero ceo do oh there's no green box hashtag on eon but has been on neo from start what was that box for no well we could talk about the box in a minute but i want to even i want to i want i want i don't know but we'll keep it in the queue right there's a stack this uh is no it's a queue because it's first and last now phyla now even about juicero there that was i'm going to call myself out and be like you sarah we we applaud you for trying oh i like this um you know like that was like anti-shelling right i don't even want an anti-shill i just wanna anti-shield but that that would mean you're talking about something negatively yeah no it was like anti-shilling is like you know to be honest like a juicero might have been a great product for some people right yes but that's what i mean like so the green the green box you were referring to is the calibration box it didn't convey that much information to the user so it's been removed from the uf ui upgrade of 0.4 yeah look we're passing rochester oh rochester exit rogers there's only one rochester exit yeah and if you miss it you're going all the way to lacrosse what were the goals of the tour did you guys feel like you achieved them so the real goal to be honest guys i don't know it's something to do and we did something and that's the real goal um i don't know selling stuff would have been cool we sold some stuff some stuff like honestly like it doesn't really like you know next year we're actually going to start running ads for things welcome to being a real startup right going to run ads we're gonna track you know our spend to get a conversion maybe even buy uh my instagram ads um they're kind of one of the best ways to get um to convert marketing to convert yeah i mean not like marketing it just it's just like you gotta do it right it's part of uh it's just part of a machine and that's a shout out shout out uh scott alexander uh slate star codex some great blog posts um talking about like molok and how we're all slaves to moloch and how like you know everybody might want the world to be better um but it's hard to actually make that move eleanor yokowski just came out with a book about this too it's like inadequacy and an equilibrium or something i forget the exact time of the month but go go go check it out i mean it just kind of talks about like even if you have a hundred people who all could take collective action to make the world better um each if each individual is incentivized to do something else then well the collective action doesn't get taken and now don't scream communism please don't scream communism at all what if we're just all workers of the world united communism has killed more people than any other ideology there is uh nice we got a super like by alex too oh yeah is that is that something we unlocked i've never seen that and also someone asked who's the coolest investor we have oh it's too hard to answer it's like asking a parent who's their favorite child you know our favorite investor yeah no i don't know um i also like about these about these like other kind of things like the dan carl and the slate star codex where you're supposed to listen to dave we're supposed to listen to that carlo the the point that i want you to take away is not to like look at my opinion and be like i agree with it because he said it what i like about these resources is they kind of give or they've given me new ways to think um they've given me new ways to think about problems and if you come to different conclusions that's fine i just you know i did this i did this little like quick questions with siraj thing at the tits or a machine learning conference and if there's one way the world could be better let's make the world more kind of self-reflective right is everyone should learn to code should everyone you should have something like basic knowledge to be able to use like excel at least yeah i mean that's coded yeah in a way just the like algorithms mentality there's uh i said they're not algorithms but like managing data yeah everybody should understand like the basic ideas of the field i saw slogan at the uh kansas city maker space that i liked which was um if you don't know how to fix it you don't really own it yeah i think i agree with that andrew clements things coding should be mandated i think well mandated by who and where the elementary school we went to the kids are learning to code yeah yeah that's yeah i think that's common man it's pretty common it should be more than it's a good way i mean i don't know i i started when i was really young you pick it up easier when you're a kid it's like a second language yeah could i speak a second language well not exactly no i mean coding is even more of uh you speak french french and english are not that far apart french is a practical no of course not i could learn french easier than i could learn chinese though right they they talk about like like if you're an english speaker like learning like french or spanish or uh you know languages like that are much easier to learn like german or russian which are even easier to learn than like chinese japanese what's our favorite company besides comma we like amazon we do like amazon amazon's great we like amazon we like elon's companies i like the boring company a lot i'm a more company fan i think trains it's the future no i mean like yeah um no we have to get away from this companies that are using psychological tricks to make people addicted yeah um i'm a twitter addict i confess it's not even funny like i'm actually kind of sad about my twitter addiction george it's all in your power to stop it i mean it is to an extent like of course it is right but you know here's the thing about bad addicts and if you talk to people who are genetics and drug addicts and they'll tell you this right you can say that it's all in your power to stop it and it is but the truth is they are still getting something out of their addiction or they would stop it right i am still getting something out of my twitter addiction and that's why i don't stop yeah and i mean it's true about facebook too right like if you truly were getting nothing out of it if you truly got nothing right imagine the drugs stopped working well you could stop using the drugs real fast right you'd scream and complain about that but you know fundamentally you are getting something out of it or you wouldn't be an addict someone's asking if reality is boring reality is boring i mean it's better than the alternative right yeah you can go you can go live in your own made-up world yeah it doesn't last very long no even if it did i mean well that's a decision that everyone's going to have to make probably sooner than we think about whether you want to be a wirehead or not oh refer to the drug use got you uh reality's boring that's why people use drugs yeah yeah absolutely or or there's some aspect of reality they can't cope with yeah man george can be a philosophy teacher sure george also taught fifth graders today i did yeah i taught him that they were computers yeah i taught them about physics they were good they knew it yeah alternative is dying wire hunting and dying might be the same thing depending on how you look at it these questions here's the thing about philosophy philosophy encompasses everything that science has not yet come up with an answer to right we used to use philosophy to determine you know what everything was made of right go back to aristotle and now well he was biggest chemistry um and you know when when nietzsche talks about like god being dead i mean what god was replaced by was kind of an enlightenment view of the world as it was a rational view of the world obviously the reason the sun rises is not because there's a man in a chariot pulling it but because of uh you know the earth is spinning right and this is uh this is a lot of you know what you want to talk about where i get a lot of this worldview from it's like less wrong and rationality kind of stuff um although it may be simple well that's this bob martin's is what'd you think of that no also this uh we should also hire a ten-year-old sure do you think you'll fly to mars in your lifetime uh my comment on mars was uh i'll go there when there are five star hotels there um not necessarily because oh i need to stay on a five-star hotel i would i would rough it on mars man i'd sleep on a martian bench but um no that would just say something about like where the kind of safety and reasonability of the journey are yeah um the places that i want to explore aren't necessarily on mars they're actually a lot more sort of in my head do i think i'll visit mars in my lifetime if i had to bet on it uh 10 chance that would just space if i'd give space and mars similar chances it's gonna be like a one-year trip temporal difference learning or something what uh moon base or mars base first you guys look at the lights they're totally off over there we're not that not that explicit on like types of software development or management maybe it's worthwhile to learn more about that um right now we just kind of code we have integration tests um we should get better with testing we have unit tests on things like the apis some of the functions underlying highlight we have the complete hardware in the loop integration tests which you guys have seen back in the house with the eons in the closet it's pretty good um and then we have our army of beta testers you guys we tested ourselves we're a bunch of employees driving to doing four cars now are you guys committed to using only computer vision what would be the alternative use radar that's radar but yeah i mean when you look at cameras just from a raw like even if you don't understand what the sensor is they are incredibly high bandwidth cheap available they're really a great sensor they they don't really compare to anything else just because of smartphone they become so cheap yeah i mean there's big there's big market pressures driving better and better cameras if you are a consumer if you want to do that yeah we obviously encourage people to do that but we're not at the level where we're providing consumer support for open products night vision system wouldn't be neat because cameras seemed really well at night or it drives better at night than ever though yeah and because there's a ton more contrast so i don't know y'all you all really came on a road trip with us it is fun this is a real this is a real road trip oh no this time of day is always kind of depressing too sunsets are kind of boring i do like long walks on the beach though so if you're out there sales update let me see if i can all right i don't think we met the 7k bargain yeah there was a 7k target out there joining us we'll do a blog post if we get it but don't tell them that we're now even chilling it's real you know no we really wouldn't do it if they said the 7k but i i don't think our sales are going to be second camera um i mean i'd like to see i'd like to see a time lapse of the video yeah eddie you want to code that yeah give me that god mode and i'll do it have you thought about putting your cars and your cameras in rental cars for more data we're not really limited by data we're limited by engineering and we're not even limited by engineers we're limited by engineering it's very hard you know a lot of people think i've always kind of viewed engineering as kind of a creative endeavor right and if you want a creative endeavor to get done faster if you want like an artist man produce more paintings produce more paintings you couldn't really hire more people you couldn't really give him more money you couldn't really give him more paint it's just kind of done when it's done it's kind of what this stuff is too we're working we have ideas we'll test them yeah sales update is the same you've got 11 orders 11 orders i like what the guys said at kansas city makerspace he was talking to college kids there his advice was about you know when you build something you build it because your taste is much higher than what's available right so you know the system that comes on the toyota our tastes were higher than it right we want it we we have higher expectations for what it should be then we build this thing that keeps you in the lane lines some people are they come up to us and they're like oh this looks incredible but our taste has been raised you have like the taste versus what you're capable is always kind of catching up when you build the thing with the better taste it tastes rises but you become more capable when it keeps going like that that was a it was a cool thought we're going to we'll get to that one in a minute but yeah no going off of that it's like i don't know man i get so frustrated when this thing doesn't work it should work way better um and like the next year it will work way better but i promise you on next year's self-driving car awareness tour it'll probably do it'll be better but i'll still be mad about how bad it is right that's okay that's beautiful and even when it's perfect even when it's when it's level four you know we're gonna get like like you know any any sort of crash any sort of minor mishap but it still has to be better um i'm not saying it has to be better to ship right they say if you're not embarrassed by what you're shipping you ship too late oh that's a good you line that just that one of our one of our boys our one of our anonymous employees um some of our employees are anonymous kind of respect anonymity employees as much as we can uh so what is the end goal of the company to win self-driving cars to win self-driving cars it's not even like that's not even like you know sometimes you'll see it you'll see the way i talk you'll see kind of in the mindset of it um and i'll say it and i do understand that what people take that to me is not exactly what i mean when they say it but i want to solve i mean i guess i i guess i can say this i want to solve the problem i want to see the solution i want to either solve the problem or see the solution i'd rather solve it myself right it's like it's like a math problem in the back of a textbook but what's cool is this isn't contrived if you're doing a math problem in the back of a textbook you know but you know donald knuth would put uh would put math problems in his textbook that would like unsolve problems because kind of feel like no one even has the answer right um so that's that's just cool it's kind of like an unsolved problem yeah thanks alex reed hoffman said that line frida hoffman's line okay and all jobs oh no i say that to troll more than anything else i don't know i don't really have an opinion on employment i don't know if this is a question or a statement but think wave of this little force along the soul for some areas not really but like level four has to be everywhere well level four doesn't have to be everywhere that's level five yeah level four can literally just be on one route big what was more honest um maybe they sort of can't be i wish they were more honest and aggressive their sensors are really really good but this is what google does right google can take an idea and they can build the best one of it i've worked at google a bunch of times and this is really what the culture brings out you can see it with chrome with gmail search uh they're not so good when they try to do new things less take google glass and to be honest it's not even google glass was kind of a bad product but um yeah they're not they're not that innovative they're they're they're people who go like the last mile fortunately in a weird way and this is kind of how the world is today google just buys up startups the world is google's innovation lab so what is what is the end goal for common yeah it's not uh to live forever right not as people as a company and that's kind of the goal and goal of every company right so what's your view of mobile responsibility sensitive safety stupid viv what is your job i run operations and vp of operations mobilelite gives like a great presentation at cvpr about uh about vision and about real stuff and then they give a whole presentation that isn't about how to make driving safer but about how to make driving provably safe so we can determine who has liability right talk to my reason interview about the size of a pie well why don't we just you know make well in this case make the pie crashes smaller right and not worry about the less much slice everyone's operations high is already getting bigger [Music] well first you got to define that term um when i was 15 i first read eliezer yukowski's stuff and yeah it's you first hear about the doubling of compute power and the idea is if you build a system that's as powerful as humanity there's a law called moore's law which says humanity doubles the power of computers every 18 months when the speed of computers are the number of transistors on a die or whatever it is doubles every 18 months right but if it's the machines doubling their own power every 18 months the next doubling will take nine months and the next doubling will take 4.5 the next will take 2.25 and then at 36 months you have a singularity where they're doubling kind of infinitely fast it's kind of like the tortoise in the hair problem um so i don't know i mean there's that definition and then there's the definition of the obsolescence of humanity which is computers are capable of doing every job better than people so you have to talk about which definition you're talking about and what you want to know about governmental events probably yeah just as they've banned people from riding horses on this road yeah even closed courses right just like cars how many people are coming around keep them with us all the way to lacrosse do you know where we're staying tonight guys oh yeah did you get something no she didn't yeah um so working with the oems is incredibly difficult because of who they are structurally i'm not sure that is the end goal i think you have to think about how else to get into the market i think entering at the dealership level might be the appropriate sort of place where we are in two years and how were the dealers perception of that idea they they enjoyed it and they liked the idea obviously they wanted to be more consumer on this course but that probably is the way that you actually managed to shift this and does this approach win well there's a question all of when right because the other approaches are in some ways more predictable if you're talking about the build a car and ship a car approach the fastest company from inception to shipping a a standard production vehicle i think was tesla i think it took them seven years so that's how long it would take a company if they started today to build a car maybe it's a little bit easier with electric maybe they can do it in four or five but it's still a huge challenge so if companies start today or started last year started two years ago i think we beat them if they're trying to build cars now then there's companies who are trying to work with oems so you look at like uh volvo have this drive pilot program that they were planning to debut this year they've pushed it back to 2021 which seems to be the date that a lot of these car manufacturers are saying again i think we win by now but when i mean i think we solve the problem by that the truth is most people they'll ask me questions about like does the public perception of these systems matter and in reality public perception is a lagging indicator of quality if you have good quality somehow our society is fairly efficient at disseminating information if you have bad quality the same thing applies step one build a good system right so you have to solve the problem and i think it's solved in maybe two or three years that beats out anybody really trying to work with oems if you believe they're 2021 and anybody trying to build their own car then there's this third approach the third approach is maybe the waymo uber approach where they're building um self-driving uh where they're building uh rideshare networks the thing about ride-sharing networks is you have to operate super unprofitably until the minute you solve the problem now if solving the problem were very very very predictable like we knew due to some kind of you know inexorable law that the problem would be solved by 2020 and exactly what sensors in compute would be required if we knew that then the ride sharing approach would probably win because if we knew that investment would be easy the world could get together multiple trillion dollars to build out the entire network uh subsidize it do it all with human drivers and then 2020 you flip the switch but because of that uncertainty seeing i tend to believe that it's going to be about that long which is yeah there are two questions one um solved is in what level and two uh can we get an mtv crip style tour of comma hq hey if you know someone at mtv cribs we'll let them into the house hey uh yeah we'll let me know which level so it doesn't really like the levels are stupid i guess i am talking about level four the levels are really just a liability question it's like uh the supreme court thing where it's like you know pornography right uh it's hard to define but you'll know it when you see it it's the same thing kind of with self-driving systems right you'll you'll know it when it's solved you'll type in a destination it'll go there and it's highly unlikely to make a mistake better than humans right statistically better than humans so i guess that is level four but the levels are kind of off it's all about the number of disengagements yeah do you guys have to drive back no we're shipping all right we're shutting the car it's a one-way road trip all right so what car should we buy for next year self-driving car window let's get the audi sponsored by sponsored by silver car silver car might actually sponsor us silver car is cool they're in a lot of cities though nope not a subaru we're definitely not elise no you'd have to pay me to drive across the country in a subaru again again i'm anti-shilling i don't really have anything wrong with supers wrxs are nice no way i'm taking a lambo to some of the places we went yeah of all the lambo in the snow and ice and stuff yeah it would be nice to do this in the summer i think those a4s are or is the small wheel drive a more southern route yeah we could definitely we're definitely taking a different route next year um but yeah we're gonna do the same sort of thing drive across the country get sponsored you get sponsored i mean i don't know i predict i predict big things for comma look at how much has changed in a year yeah one year ago we had five people barely even to be honest um i think we didn't start to get people until january end of january we had open pilot 0.1 was really unusable um it would crash every couple minutes like the software would crash uh the neo was was was janky um they were kind of hard to get you had to get that board made i used to we saw this year we saw neo driven we saw la timer with open boards someone says we should get sponsored by amazon tour come to canada who knows where the next tour is going yeah i don't know across the international borders tesla waited to release autopilot i don't think so um you know you can look at you can look at joshua brown's death and like i mean obviously you know it's sad but statistically it's safe or safer that it's as safe as or safer than humans assuming that there's a human watching in conjunction with the system right and in the joshua brown case you know there was no human watching the human was watching harry potter and that's what's believed i mean that's just true right so you know with all these systems really pay attention at all times and you have to and you're going to have to for a while but i don't know with the singularity question will you stay human when you upload your minds well i'm not really sure how you define human uh you have to be a little careful with uploading i mean this gets this gets really into sort of no no no no wire heading is very different from uploading um i don't know this is all a little bit too far away to think about back thinking about self-driving cars again yeah i mean we've always talked about watching the driver's attentiveness yeah for level three we will have to yeah watch for a more consumer product from marketing product um so yeah i mean the eon can it see you no no we have to check i'm not even really sure whether the front facing camera can see you or not it's kind of out of view oh that's why you're talking about flipping it around tesla ap1 couldn't see you tesla ap2 has a driver facing camera does someone was wondering what would happen if a deer jumped in front of our car slam on the brakes well as hard as it can so it would decelerate with 0.3 g of braking and then i would uh press the brakes even harder get it up to 1g uh breaking is almost always safer than swerving breaking is almost always the right choice unless you are really confident in the swerve yeah well like okay just swerving like around like a car that you know is not going to move is fine but swerving around a deer hit the brakes you swerve try to predict the deer's motion you end up hitting him yeah with animals breaking is the right choice usually you saw a cat across the highway you guys it was a black cat oh the glock didn't stop you imagine what can we hit the black cat you would have been such bad open pilot won't slam on the brakes for a cat sorry cat neither would you why are there employees at fast food restaurants george would probably agree with you um well so i mean what you really want to do is like if if minimum wage laws increase do you see in areas where minimum wage laws are kind of high like in europe or in california you'll see that mcdonald's has replaced a lot of the ordering with those computer screens right so minimum increased minimum wage will expedite the replacement of humans with machines uh why are their employees at fast food restaurants probably because it's cheaper um some of those things are kind of like anything where you have to like use your hand in complex ways robotics isn't quite there yet but yeah different multitasked things yeah well it's hard to like it's also much harder to train a robot than to train a person yeah um error recovery is tricky yeah you could probably do it i don't know you also have you'd also have to look at what the breakdown of operating a fast food franchise is how much of the cost is human labor apparently with abs you can slam and steer yeah well yeah so that's the idea right um you can you can slam and steer now again your car still has traction you have to ask the question of you know study racing a little bit you have to ask the question of where you want to use your grip do you want to use your grip to break and steer or do you want to use your grip to try to do both both is almost always the worst choice right because now you're getting less braking like sure you can brake and steer but you're getting less braking if you're trying to steer you're using some of your friction in order to steer yeah well that depends on your track and control system the one in this car is really good i had a nissan 350z i used to ride around rochester that traction control system was terrible obviously to the early 2000s it was it was a 2008 um and it would would it would increase the oscillations it wouldn't damp them um it was really poorly done this one is is so much better uh so yeah i mean yeah bad ones do that good ones good ones don't i have something related to the fast food thing it's still crazy that like if they get a check at a restaurant such a pain yeah like they should just hard readers are so cheap now that they can just like put them at the table they're doing this they're doing this at all the fast casual restaurants and there's actually one startup making killing doing this now yeah you go to you go like an applebee's or an olive garden they have card reader you have carter using the table they have curtis on the table and even worse the things like try to upsell you on little games of course thank you so much for watching and airports everywhere everybody i put ipads in front of you at the airport and sometimes like in uh in dallas or houston i think it's houston um i think you can pay where you're sitting maybe not maybe it's just a word yeah no but this is huge and all the fast casual there's a startup called like handy or something yeah there's one company who's made a killing doing this and all of these like chili's macaroni grill all of these it's called fast casual yeah at level four what do you do about like airplanes landing on a highway and these edge cases these edge cases are extremely extremely rare what do you do if there's an airplane landing on the highway well you probably definitely do something much smarter than a human because you do not panic um a human might you know panic stare at the airplane and keep driving honestly what you do most of the times in weird scenarios is break yeah whatever human words i hear don't panic right um these scenarios are not and this is the same thing with the trolley problem like it's not real this is not a dilemma that anybody in the real world has faced and this is i almost i don't blame people for thinking this i really blame the news i really blame the news for making these extremely rare events seem common and then what they do and this is this is actually like thinking like this if there's anything you could be doing that's more productive which i'm not even sure but i mean it's killing people right because to be honest how do most car accidents happen it's the dumbest shit people aren't looking people are texting people are drunk people are asleep fix that don't worry about the edge cases i still save thousands and thousands of lives bro stay on the road they bro perfectly yeah i know exactly right but it's all fake i think he's asleep or something i don't know it might be the wind you see trucks do this and i think they only do it when it's safe and i do it for some reason i don't know i've never driven a truck so i couldn't set up another weird-looking truck out of town oh wow magically actually shipped something today i heard i know they didn't ship you can sign up for updates you can see yeah you can sign up for the band do they have a price and can you actually send them money for a pre-order i didn't enter that price yeah like like to be honest if they're taking like just a one hundred dollar down payment for something announced they announced something or do they oh they announced soldering okay it's just to raise more money it's honestly just to raise more money it's it's a pr stunt unless there's a price in a ship game it didn't even look like real photos on it it looked like renders they look like renderings right yeah like at least like tesla might announce something and it's three years away but like it's on the stage they'll ship it in five years and someone was driving one someone was driving one right two thousand but no price but see that's what i mean like it's just it's just fake it's just fake and everyone should be better at like realizing that yeah does open pilot work in direct sunlight [Music] direct you have some trouble it's got a lot better surprisingly good what about a rolling stone i don't know they say rolling stone article is good what is the about about about magic being a scam yeah oh my gosh they wrote about a scam what was that no no wait is that was it a scammer i think i don't know oh did they review it and magically actually got hardware i don't know like magic reviews from what i've seen with magic leap is they continually like promise this this and that hey guys you know remember when i said we were gonna launch the comma one we open sourced it all by the end of the year and like here we are a year later and like you've got to come and eon the banana grandma one it's a lot nicer that's not it's not bright green it's not green just the screen just the screen is great oh we're still obsessed with it yeah it's important to ship support to be real in some ways the only way to kind of express yourself differently is to counter single um aliases book talks about this too like really analyzing counter signaling what it does i would like to get a magic link let us know oh they probably can't talk about it yeah they say all of nba they won't probably have like insane indians right yeah i mean whenever you have scams you haven't seen any case yeah but what what are they thinking today do we make employees on ndis they just sign and well they sign an ip agreement which has a little line for ending oh okay yeah agreement i.p agreement is to prevent us from being sued yeah there's very little in common that's truly non-disclosure if somebody leaked what the pigeon was yeah i mean we already they'd be fired immediately fired immediately just like the person who leaked midnight black i mean a lot of times it's you i know i know god guys if i could fire myself the ceo of comma would have done it so many times no i mean like magic leap and like i don't know you beam i don't know what they're doing like is definitely fair yeah some employees have come out i guess i've met her too i don't want to say anything bad like you know she has like a positive like outlook like you know the only reason people think this is impossible is because they they you know you know they don't try hard enough or like anything is possible if you believe in yourself and like it's a nice sentiment like a certain extent that's the thing like it's not even that you beam is impossible right ubm is actually you could build it right you say they do show those things i mean they don't show anything real like the current flow and power flow to the device right yeah they would really that's what you really want to do you want to get the watt meter up there right one of those little usb usb there's one two shows charging one meter ones the and they don't do that because they want you to like and you know what you could probably get the current up you could probably even design the thing to be safe right yeah but i feel like ube has caught so much in this like we have to kind of prove ourselves to the world like we've been saying this for so long um so in poker this concept is called being pot committed yeah right like i've already put a lot of money in the pot this might already be like a kind of losing hand like i kind of think i'm going to lose the hand and like you know calling his raise isn't really worth it but i'm going to do it because i'm pumped what should they do when they realize like we can't really build this what we showed as a rendering when we went to investors yeah i mean what do you do when you after you collected 50 million dollars i don't know i don't know what you do they don't have i mean it's not like they can give the money back right like yes they could and they could give it back at a loss and they could be like let this be a lesson yeah well it's not even yeah but like the whole point is it's not even that ubis is impossible it's just incredibly impractical right charging cell phones using ultrasonic power is incredibly impractical yeah dragon sector team from ctf says hi and wondering if you're gonna be doing ctf anytime yo what up dragons actor um i know with one of the guys from nullify in omaha and he said something you know you guys are like george you still play ctf's and i'm like no not really anymore and then he said we don't really either because ctfs have a meta now and i thought that was like a really brilliant way to express kind of what i think about ctfs now it's it's too much like okay there's these kind of problems these kind of problems these kind of problems these kind of problems you drill on them you get faster at them and ironically as much as i talk about winning the real reason i played ctfs was to learn and i just wasn't learning as much anymore and i'm still not learning as much i've come back and tried a few problems occasionally but it doesn't have the sort of novelty that i feel that it used to um by the way like just let me let me take a little quick aside here driving with open pilot really is a great experience i'm not even chilling i've been we've been we've been driving for for an hour now yeah like everybody already when they're driving let's driving fade into their unconscious i'm sure everyone's had this experience where they were driving on a highway and they realized wow i've just traveled an hour and i haven't really thought about driving much that was kind of the experience that i just had right even when i say things like oh i'm correcting a little bit from this turn that's all at the unconscious level some way the machine learning model in there is like working with the model that's in my mind um just something we have to think about when we do model updates will you present um i'm gonna tell you something else that's real well we approached defcon i wanted to speak there this year and they said no um they said no they're like you know we can't just we can't just pick speakers because they're famous and i i respect that um and if it comes from like a really honest place and i'm saying that uh you know i wish them well but i i i you know i don't like to question people's intentions but what i've seen i'm not gonna question their intentions but i will talk about what i've seen at def con right and what i've seen at a lot of conferences um maybe it's like the death of subculture defcon started out as a real hacker subculture conference right and you know talk about we'll talk about inclusivity inclusivity is great inclusivity of you know please join my subculture you know if you're interested in hacking if you are genuinely interested in hacking we would love to have you you know we want you to learn we want you to be better but what we don't want and what you have to watch out for is people who show up at defcon and don't like hacking culture right don't do that if you don't like it like there's the global culture you could try to change the global culture but let people have their subcultures um and i kind of see things like defcon drifting away from uh subculture and that was was kind of you know apparent to me when they didn't want me to speak uh so i don't know i don't know if i'll be back at def con um well it's maybe maybe maybe i'll show up for a few for a few interesting meetings but just kind of my thoughts on it um where's the next thing right where's the next thing and that's something i have to i have to grapple with my life right like like the death of 90s hacker subculture um and maybe it's i don't know maybe it still exists somewhere but to be fair like that was the 90s right the the the subculture embodied in like you know hackers with angelina jolie like that was great these are the things i grew up watching right you watch that you watch sneakers you watch watch war games um you know the old school hacker movies uh but yeah i mean there is kind of a question of what's next so i don't know but uh yeah it's kind of like constantly sorry to be mean and if you think def con is cool and if you're having a good time by all means uh keep on going oh slob the the british knight band was a bot that's why i banned them someone was wondering no computers allowed you know what you know what no no no no no we shouldn't discriminate like that i mean this um the problem wasn't that they were a bot the problem is that they were repeating what other people were saying they did add an emoji on at the end of a lot of this that doesn't count that's not adding value to be honest if someone could build a bot that added value we absolutely would be fine like that's the questions people actually want to ask yeah wait george i have a little follow-up from what you were just saying [Music] [Music] bojack has to kind of find a way to move on and in some ways i didn't like the fourth season of bojack because he moved on wait i'm not there yet yeah yeah no no no no i shouldn't that's not really a spoiler right no that's like more that's kind of bad that's a bigger picture thing end in a positive way does generally pull his life together no if it's over but that is kind of what bojack's about it's very um you know in with the cultural zeitgeist shouldn't be i mean he's so miserable it'd be weird to see him all of a sudden well that's maybe the problem it was it was like happy right it was like a glimmer of more hope than at the end of other seasons yeah uh i i have a saying a lot uh too it's um seven seasons of house taught me that people don't change yeah so i don't know i think about that am i capable of changing when will when will when will i become a cultural relic well what would you do as an uber ceo what would i do as uber ceo yeah yeah um i would uh hire travis back and let him do it to be honest that's really what i would do he could do a much better job with me you know what i would i would sit him down first and here's the advice that i would give to him uh never apologize uh you have done so much good for the world uber has done so much good for the world do you know how many lives uber has probably saved from people who didn't drive home drunk yeah yeah um walking home in sketchy neighborhoods and you know there's just such a there's such an attack on uber and i'm like wow i just i don't know that that's things that make me less hopeful for the future um were there some cultural problems in uber maybe i wasn't there but when you look at uber as a force right i'm not here to speak about anyone's you know experience at uber but when you look at uber's force upon the world and uber's impact on my life and uber's impact on all the people who they've employed right and you can talk about well uber drivers you know they all hate uber no one's forcing you to do it right yeah um it's an opportunity literally you're you you're given an opportunity where you kind of didn't have one before um so yeah what would i do as uber ceo i'd think for a while about what i want to say to travis uh sit him down for an hour tell him my thoughts listen to his opinions then probably regardless of what he says say welcome back if you want you want to do it maybe man i don't know but what are they going to do they lose a billion dollars every year yeah and you look at what's happening you know when you do stuff i don't know i don't know and you know what it would be so sad if we lose ride sharing in the world well i don't think we'd lose it but we'll play it we'll pay triple the price oh well no see that's the problem right like i'm okay with paying triple the price but not everybody is yeah and then and then it would go what i'm not okay with is waiting 18 minutes for an uber right and then it's over and then it's over and then it's over if like you you need to have sort of a critical density of ride sharing right in order for the network to work by the way when do you think open power will be able to handle hills better um the new the new the new model architecture the new model architecture is much more holistic much more toward the original dream of come ai than to end learning this model is not very uh end to end you know the lanes are they're not hand coated they're extracted by an automatic ground truthing engine but the automatic ground truthing engine is hand coded i even want to move away from that are you looking at any dedicated ai chip sets instead of use no so i'm kind of bearish on dedicated ai chipsets and here's why when you look at a cpu die and when you look at how many um so so so it's it's uh what are they what are they um multiply accumulates right multiply two numbers and like accumulate so that's the basic kind of dsp operation uh that you need for a matrix multiplication which is what neural networks are um you look at a cpu's die and you realize really only like two or three percent of the transistors are dedicated to doing this so there's clearly a room for a 30 improvement right at the same process size and the same power uh so using cpus is for neural networks it's obviously a bad idea but when you look at a gpu's die you see that like 60 of the gpu already has the transistors kind of where you want them um now you can do things like pipelining uh better and dedicated hardware than you can in gpus but it's not going to be a 10x improvement it's going to be a 2 or 3x improvement and the truth is that's the kind of improvements you can get from software so i'm bearish on dedicated ai chipsets and i'm bullish on gpus dsps and things that are a bit more general purpose because yeah because a lot of the transistors are already being used for for uh the purpose you would use them for in a dedicated chipset anyway uh honestly i really want to stick with smartphone hardware for as long as i can will next year's thing be based around a smartphone maybe we'll see let's see if things shake up this year we're gonna make one state level four like kansas and then move racing oh that's not so we're never going to put policy in the map um you have like cruz and waymo putting policy in the map uh and like at some point it doesn't really matter right um also the people think that there are regulatory barriers to level four there aren't in some states you can already put your car on the road no people it's just fine i mean it's a liability question right obviously you're liable then for what that car does there's no driver in the car to think liability uh but there's there's very little advantage to doing it state by state there might be an advantage to doing it road type by road type but then that kind of isn't level four it's level three wait am i banning bots or no that just repeats with the book you ban low quality users we won't discriminate whether they're computing any repetition vulgar yeah well yeah again unless it's funny right it's going to be really funny you got to be funny if you still have a playstation oh no get rid of that crap uh this isn't even anti-shilling sony sucks i don't know just like kind of that you know what i'm even gonna be nice to somebody uh i'm not allowed to discuss my settlement meeting but i am allowed to discuss the meeting we had after the settlement meeting where i met with some engineers um and if there were gonna be lawyers in the room they wanted me to tell me how they did it they really wanted me to like do free security testing on the playstation for them happy to talk about it to be honest especially if there are engineers there like the guys who built the security system you know after you solve a puzzle it's really fun to talk with the guy who uh wrote the puzzle so yeah no i went to a room and uh their engineers yeah we just kind of we just kind of talked about um you know playstation security mistakes how things could have been done differently and there's mostly you all kind of agreed on everything but no lawyers i don't know i really don't like lawyers like the lawyer way of thinking uh the lawyer way of thinking is asking the question what can't you do not what candy you do i'm an optimist is this really the last scope this is really the last periscope guys there'll be more next year but like i mean it is you know the more we drive to chicago yeah i kind of feel like this is the last one yeah this is the last one yeah we can't do fake tomorrow tomorrow we take the letters uh off of the car how many people we have 37 seven uh tomorrow is the true soul of comma this is 37. just 37 yeah the two salt comma no but i mean look we'll grow next year we're really well every week the system gets better maps um we're working on them we're working on them we're working a lot on the uh with the upstairs team working on localization and mapping we have an internal server uh which has our maps on them they're accurate to about a meter right now we want to get that accuracy down to 10 centimeters and then we've got open source as much as we can um so this is my warning to all the companies out there planning to rent seek by holding the map planning to spend a lot of money right now to invest in uh in in building a map with like a dedicated fleet of mapping cars we are going to disrupt you i don't even mean this in like an aggressive way i mean this in a like you know don't be you be right don't end up like that um if you can't figure out a way to sort of profit off of the mapping operation itself you're um i mean maybe it's possible for things like paper to succeed where at least you're crowdsourcing it even if you are paying the users yeah but we believe in paying the users with value uh we we add value with the dash cam some value i think we had a lot of value with open pilot updated map uh data oh the updated maps are shipped for data that server broke that's server broker there's no incentive to fix it um we're doing maps much more regionally now we're trying to make the maps like really good in one region and then we're going to probably open source like that region we have lanes signs and curves and they'll all be accurate to like 10 centimeters yeah i think i mean we think of schiffer the way we think of schiffer in the coming year is shiffer is like the remote control from your car especially if you have an eon mounted in it and stuff yeah a future we picture is something like your friend texts you a location and a dress you say like forward through shiffer to my comic eon it'll show up in ways yeah you'll start going it'll it'll show up in ways and then yeah all right you know what it's the end of the year we're going to talk about it um no we're not going to talk about it about an inverting paradigm so i'm not going to talk about that can you gather speed camera data and shift our speed cameras i don't know i honestly i don't know if we can see them in here we do want to make a net we can id cops who are pulled over on the side of the road trying to uh oh cops when they're moving too know when they're moving too yeah based on you look at the car right the same way same way people see cops right and we would love all of our shift for an open pilot network to report back we're all the police officers yeah we could we could contribute that source to ways and we could figure out a way to kind of make that data i'm not sure we're going to contribute it to ways i think we will try to make that available in our apps i think this is maybe the killer feature of schiffer yeah that will keep people like really if we could have the best cop detector i think this is how waze boots dragged you guys all i'm saying about pigeons is we're going to try to have some out the second or third week of january to the top eon users don't care if it's autopilot shifter plus um top eon users and it has to be an eon we can obviously detect because they only plug into eons we're going to send some out get telemetry and then if the telemetry looks good we will you know what i would give for other companies to have periscopes like this what i just just i just would be so happy yeah it'd be really cool it would um and i was thinking like like a lot of people emailed george asking for you know to be involved in common ai some business blah blah blah but like if you hopped on periscope and started asking us questions like you have access to george hawks right now like if anyone out there wants to no yeah actually like honestly negotiate on periscope how cool the world would that be if like you hear yeah you know apple buying shazam on periscope you know like yeah like imagine shazam had a periscope right and this is why this is what i'd like to see exactly oh virtually chris said this really is amazing and bugs you said we'll be in new york until the 28th in new york city just do some meet up we wanted the car right yeah yeah you can um drink some beer yeah yeah we could all do it we have a self-driving car awareness tour reunion event [Music] uh but yeah no um i do this thing right i get uh people reaching out to me a lot from kind of like investment uh analysis firms and they want to pay me 500 for an hour of my time to talk with me about uh about the space about the autonomous vehicle space and i say this i'm like i'll do it if you can buy me an htc vive should be an htc vive five is a hundred dollars more to be honest i'm sure they don't care about the money but i think i've had like four of them reach out to me and offer me this deal i think i even had one offer me 750 and i said buy me an htc vive and they couldn't do it because they're that bureaucratic the htc vive test is kind of a great test of who you want to talk to um so same thing with the periscopes right we have people email me and they'll send me like four emails and reaching out i just ignore them i actually have some filters to just set up to ignore them like do you care or are you doing this as a job if you care come talk to us on periscope and i'll be i'll be incredibly honest with you it's so cool and those are the people we want to work with um yeah apple buying shazam on a periscope like there's like jobs talking and just kind of for you know posterity's sake right like i don't know and it like breaks down this information access that like maybe only the media has right now yeah and then the media presents it through their lens yeah it's bullshit youtube right you guys i was times first of the year 2006. you were what was times person of the year in 2006 you know yeah that's what i was i was are you serious i swear to god how about a hundred dollars wow and gave me half of it you know what honestly if that's what i go to jail for i don't know man wait someone wants to do a stats page like total mile driven disengagement rate do you want to do it or do you want that you want us to do it oh if you want to do it if you want to go through these periscopes and analyze the disengagements you are more than welcome who wants to go to houston wow i don't know if it's the same yeah america's so bad at naming cities it's so unoriginal like come up with anything nice you want to do it you should definitely do it well new modeling techniques ever replace defense oh no they're they're definitely based on deep nets um it's all about like how you train them deep nets are a very powerful idea uh i don't i don't know like what it would even mean for something to replace deep nets i think things will work with deep nets i think we'll find better ways to train them i think metal learning is going to be a huge field of machine learning uh we still use optimizers like if using stochastic gradient descent there's no metal learning if you talk about momentum as metal learning but that's still very very crude right what if you could learn what your future weight updates would would look like you could build predictive models of the learner and then this is not an original idea there's people talking about it there's probably people who've done a lot more research on it than me i know kind of why it doesn't work but yeah virtually christian the coast is like it's so annoying about things in portland oregon thinking they mean portland maine yeah and also uh yeah so this person wants to do it with all drives not just our drives like all the data all the data um yeah i don't know do you kind of have those numbers they're kind of like user exact user numbers we don't really share those kind of things do we train our model in google slash amazon is it expensive no chair model in the basement we have 25 gpus in a cluster um yeah trading models on the cloud is kind of hard for a bunch of reasons data access bandwidth could set it up to all pull from s3 trade it on some of those v100s they got on aws now maybe next year we move to cloud training we're not buying any more hardware for the data centers i wish it wasn't so dark i think we're about to come up on a cool spot in the missouri river no mississippi right now oh it's a cool spot we're just like a huge part of the mississippi the city is built right on the mississippi river we'll see it tomorrow morning tomorrow morning go out we got time tomorrow yeah the tour ends tonight folks why is so secret about how much you're phoning and will open pilot driving traffic like in the philippines um because those statistics are very easy to misinterpret uh and i don't know i've never been to the philippines thoughts on induced demand from av reshaping land use and where we live yeah maybe um you already see this with uber i think you see the availability of ride sharing services uh increasing property values in places where public transportation doesn't access in cities where like public transportation is super common like new york people who live like a 20-minute walk from the nearest subway stop maybe their property value has gone up but matter new york has cabs i don't know cats are still really prevalent in new york city because they're a good experience right yeah and they were never they were never overpriced yeah they're not that overpriced they take credit cards they're clean you don't generally get it oh my god you're getting some cabs in sf and you're like this driver's on drugs i've had this in vegas too i'm like yeah you're on drugs man like i can tell um i i've never had that new york yeah um i've never like gotten into a cab where i could tell that like someone vomited in here a week ago clean leather seats a nice barrier it's a good experience right and that's where companies should be competing they should be competing on experience what providers use for storage of user videos uh azure because they give us free money it was aws and then azure gave us more free money thanks azure um and to be honest it probably worked we probably will end up sticking with azure because who's doing another migration not the person who did a migration last will time manufacturers compete with like gm and toyota i think they mean how will small uh car manufacturers yeah like their car dealerships i don't know they're questionable primary factors don't compete car dealerships don't compete car manufacturers won't getting into the business of making cars is not a great business to be in um you're going to see the same thing with phones notice that the people who made phone make phones today are the same people who were making phones you know 20 years ago for the most part and i guess apple's not but they were making ipad they're making ipods which is a similar thing right but a lot of the sort of like the samsungs the lg's it's the same companies they've been making cell phones forever motorola that you watch uh the nokias and the blackberries top so the same thing didn't happen with the car manufacturers maybe you'll see you'll see like the fords yeah for florida's who i don't have a uh right prognosis for um because they really don't want to be the foxconn or they should be they make a great truck you get this question a lot but can you download your data on shifter yeah well yeah go to the just go to beta.com it we can make exporting easier we should exporting of candidates if exporting a candidate we'll make exporting videos from cabana as well you can already save it like apparently you can't right click on the stream and click save yeah i thought that worked i'm sure you can find some stream downloader tool and it'll work download all the data for a fee for what you don't even need a fee you can just download it uh it is i mean it's rate limited at some points i don't know yeah and then we have a bunch of driving data available from our research paper we do on archive.org seven and a half hours um do we know where we're going again yeah exit two exit two okay cool you'll navigate us to yeah we got a little wherever we're parking the car to sleep in tonight yeah nice spot by the river nice spot there so it's exit to well that's on the missouri side yeah well the missouri side of the wisconsin side uh wait what's the address we pass over into wisconsin yeah it's like dependent on our energy yeah totally it is it is it is i mean that's true about cam girls too things we've learned yeah i mean the materials that like car companies make within a car is pretty limited already to what you like to touch and sit on the materials like the parts of the car that like ford makes is pretty limited right well they make like the body the seats no i mean look you can make the same argument about about lg right like lg buys the processor from qualcomm i'm sure they have like yeah i'm just i i like i don't think people think that cars are that way i mean same with phones too right well exactly yeah it's the same phones like they buy those things they buy a camera module there's tier one suppliers in a lot of industries so yeah i mean most things in a car are made by or made by tier one suppliers like the steering column is made by like like bosch mixture columns continental yeah radar virtually chris that's the banned question and someone else is wondering uh has any crime manufacturer sent us a car to work with no uh to be honest we probably wouldn't accept it well uh actually uh like oh well yeah i mean that's why we won't accept it right we've briefly worked with this with this company and it just it doesn't work because expectations aren't aligned if if you are a car company out there and you literally want to give us a car because you think we are cool no strings attached i will accept any car except the subaru nah i'll even accept the subaru i'm just kidding i'm just kidding um but um it's okay if you see we we accept people no it's cool man it's cool uh i don't know i will answer the question like like for you i'll answer the question um our plan right now is to really just continue with hondas and toyotas i'll probably get bored of this plan mid next year because i'm personally sick of driving around in honduras and toyotas but the civic is so nice dude i used to drive a bed such a nice car i went from like benzes and porsches to like civics and sahandas and toyotas it's like you got married if you had kids yeah i mean this is this is just this is just me and my personal life right but is this system at the quality level where we can put it in a benz and feel good about it i don't think so yeah i think we have to get better and when we get better we'll start working in like i personally yo guys i want a self-driving car right um and you know obviously the car that i would choose to buy is not uh not one of these um if i was buying a car for my personal life but if this is your budget for a car these are the best cars you're going to find in this price range yeah the rav4 has really jumped up in a few spots this past year oh yeah yeah this is apparently for a one-on-one car this year and then another one so for a while it was number three yeah um for a while it was number three was the cheapest new car on the market oh i think it's a kia i think there's like a kia for like 12 grand the fiesta is down there too yes it's like 14 14 you got a car for i think the fit is like 15. it's pretty crazy it's the most expensive these things yeah well no i mean the real thing that's crazy and expensive it's used cars yeah right you're really you're willing to get like you can go like like a you know when i bought by the way when i bought a porsche and a mercedes i didn't buy new porsches and mercedes i bought used ones my porsche cost me 10 grand yeah um it was a great lots of fucking car my mercedes costs like 45 um but you know i i bought that to be nice and so it's a 110 000 car new um used cars are great deal yeah you could probably buy a used i sold it honda fit i sold it for 14. nice like that's the real right i feel like oh i'm not on the car for right here eight years yeah i'm i'm happy with the uh depreciation of the value for money i got on that car will you buy a tesla for personal use um actually probably knives there's a few problems with the tesla uh first off they aren't luxury cars despite a model s having the price tag of a luxury car i feel like the interior and the ride quality doesn't even match an audi a4 um richard i disagree um the electric okay the acceleration is cool i like the acceleration i really like the responsiveness you know what kills me we rented uh we rented a chevy volt and they literally delayed the acceleration to try to mimic a gasoline car yeah you have so much more power available to you in that motor you deliberately make it lag that's disgusting i mean it's the only explanation i have if that explanation is wrong i would love to know but that is certainly what it feels like we certainly have this thing in electric cars called creep right right tesla you can turn it on we have 18 t right yeah they're probably not probably not dead zone let's tell them what we really think about them we love you scobies even if you can't hear they're so us you know it's amazing here they are right now i have a service they're sweet scoopies are belly bags cookies are probably like we didn't want to hear that does open pilot profile different car performances slash response for deciding actually no if you're no if you're driving safely the truth is with safe driving all cars can kind of be treated as the same our our limits our steering torque limits our braking limits and our acceleration limits are well within what any production car can do yeah so we're going to leave them at exit 2. oh it's exit 2 in the new stage it's not the exits are going that way not this way is there a standard for that i don't know yeah i guess they restart in the state i guess they restart this thing we saw that though anywhere else no we didn't i think they only restart when they change the name of the file no no no they definitely restarted stay really they definitely restart in the state the only question is are they going up or are they going down i guess they start going up again well yeah we're quite high right you know like we did 500 well we didn't pay enough attention to see if that was true all throughout the states but yeah you do run into an interesting problem where if like you have one that's descending and one that's ascending you have two exit twos actually pretty close to each other just in different states right she wouldn't really want that that sounds like an interesting state coordination problem i bet you members of state legislatures have spent a lot of time discussing that yeah well these are all federal interests in iowa i understand highways are federal i don't know how much of the things the state might have no they they're they're federal i think there's hoover man right no eyes on them find a song about it is the father of the inner wow propaganda used to be a lot more blatant this is some it's a newer song lacrosse airport this is the band is called best friends forever i've known his friends forever listen to eisenhower eisenhower oh eyes eisenhower man eisenhower you know he was great eisenhower was like he was a bridge player the man was like real he was real like analytical about everything game play real player of games which we still had that in our modern uh i like him because he got on the air and told the american people about the dangers of the military industrial complex interesting yeah let's create an interview with him where he talks about it it's like you know we shouldn't really have this machine that exists we need to be weary of it yeah and then it kind of felt yeah true you know truman made the decision to drop the bombs hear about interviews with truman where like they're talking about you know do you really feel like you made the right decision what about all those lives and truman's just like look man you have no idea what it feels like to have made this decision okay yeah i mean like all the people that worked on the bomb were like pretty upset too yeah i don't know i mean you can play out alternative histories with what would have happened what do you think of recursive neural networks rnns or our rnn's i wouldn't exactly know what the term is it's hard to keep all the terms straight i kind of just see the diagrams being drawn out and i think about like informational flow uh i don't know uh i don't i'd have to look into like more what they are so are you worried that musk will kill car usage with hyperloop no that sounds great man i want a hyperloop yeah i'm not like worried about these things most guys doing hyperlink i'm honestly i'm excited by these things i would love to live in a better world where there are hyperloops dude christmas has gotta go [Music] thank you for joining us for this trip it's been great having you on the uh with us we're excited for more of your videos we're definitely excited for your i think it's the videos exit after this thing is musk all right maybe we'll leave it with that scopey's we're going to the french island and where we go from here nobody knows nobody knows where it goes we'll see you in the new year so they can't see you enjoy bye scooby's thanks for joining us on this trip it's been great having you