Embracing Emotional Intelligence With AI: How to Remain Uniquely Human

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I realized there was a huge gap in my business by also me acknowledging it, but also it being glaringly obvious when I went through with my AI conversation. Why this is so impactful anyone working in any sort of partnership team dynamic. This will change everything you're about to do moving forward for having teams. Today I'm very excited to be joined by Claire Bouvier. If you don't know who Claire is, she is an AI strategist who helps businesses improve their operations with AI. She teaches AI workshops and trains businesses to use AI. And her podcast is the human first podcast. Claire, welcome to the show. How you doing today? I'm excited to be here. Thanks for having me. I'm super excited you're here, Claire. Today and I today Claire and I are going to explore how to embrace emotional intelligence when working with artificial intelligence AI tools. Now before we go into all that emotional intelligence kind of stuff, Claire, I want to hear your story. How'd you get into AI? Start wherever you want to start. Okay. Well, thanks for being here. And to all the listeners, I'm excited to share because anyone that's a mom can remember the days. Well, we got the pandemic. So, everyone felt that and then I had a photography business studio and then became a new mom and my photography business just went overnight, crash, burn, like no one's coming into the studio and I realized I had to pivot really quickly. I shut it down and it was around, oh my goodness, in the throws of being a new mom, not knowing what I'm doing, also being like, "Okay, I have to completely reinvent the next chapter." Um, and my sister is a an amazing UX designer uh for a big UK firm and she's on the top of everything when it comes to tech and she was like, "You know, you have heard of Chachi." And I was so embarrassed. It had been out for three months. and I like to consider myself an early adopter. And I was like, "Anything she says, I'm going to go and check it out." So, I was like, "Chat TBT." And it was around 1000 p.m. in February of 2023. So, it' been a couple months it had been out. And I was laying in bed. I wish I could capture. I actually for this call was trying to find out the first thing I asked Chat GBT. I couldn't find my first thread because there's a cat trillion now. But I knew in that moment I I I like it was such a visceral moment. I had goosebumps and I shook my husband. I was like the world is going to change. And I remember in that moment everything had unlocked for me. It was this opportunity that I had like a talking mirror essentially that was smarter and like better. And that was when I realized for my ADHD brain, I had this co-partner for life and there was going to be some major changes that happened. And because of this, um, it, you know, people always say, did it change your creativity or replace it? Um, no. It allowed me to wear lots of hats, stay organized, and hit my first six figure contract. And I honestly it's I I I feel like I'm an ambassador for Open AI. Uh I am not. But AI has unlocked and championed so many revolutionary things for me um in the last 3 years. And so I'm so excited to share these little pieces um very human focus first AI. And that's essentially there's a lot more to it, but that really encapsulates going from not having this partner to now a 247 administrative assistant and and talking mirror, so to speak. So, bring us up to the present. Tell us um what you're doing now as a result of this awesome discovery that you made. Well, turns out I am really good at asking questions and love to ask questions. So, I was running out of every I was I was creating multiple accounts so I could keep using the tokens that the AI and it was like and you've hit your limit. I was like, and then when it came paid, that was like a game changer. But then I like got Yeah. I was spending like $1,000 to be just chatting to find out which one was better and who had better answers and who was more human. And so all this like questioning, questioning, questioning and feedback and, you know, requesting it and figuring out how to speak to it and what not to say and what gives outputs. And then um it really got to the point that I was like when I started talking to other people they're like well I don't know what to write. I'm like what do you mean you can ask it anything? And so over time I started to realize just showing my friends showing anyone that wanted to solve any immediate problem and this is where it unlocks it personalizes the problem solving. So anything you have a problem for a long time you read a manual you YouTube something but it's just coming from the instructor. I started to realize it was personalizing feedback for my personality my problem my situation how my brain works and that unlocked everything and so this is where now today I have officially launched with my co-partner Kaye we run Brightlight and brightlight.io IO unlocks these opportunities for people to show them how they can move through the world being human first, being an awesome individual and an empathetic individual, but also having using the tool of AI to really expedite and really take their life to where they really want it to go in a really positive, exciting place. And so that's what I'm now doing. And it's it's humbling me every single day. Um I don't know where it's going to end up, but it's uh it's pretty been pretty exciting. The people I've been able to work with, including yourself, um you championing all these AI people. And so I thank you for that because this has been a really exciting year for me. Awesome. Well, thank you for sharing. Brightlight.io. How do you spell brightite? Just so people because there's so many different ways to spell bright and light, right? Yes. So when I a plaque in Latin when I was born, Claire means giver of light and that's where it's played off of of just my role on this earth is to try and shine light on dark places. And it happens to be with AI. So I'm using the old the old English B r.io. Okay. And it looks it looks nice. Yeah, that's cool. I'm glad I'm glad you said that because people are going to phonetically spell it and they're going to get it wrong. So, okay. Awesome. Well, first of all, thank you for sharing your experience and your journey because I know your journey is a lot like other people's journeys where they had this aha epiphany moment when they first used AI and many people said, "Wow, that's going to change everything," including me. And um some are just now experiencing it for the first time and perhaps listening to this show. So now bringing it all around to um emotional intelligence. Um let's talk about why is emotional intelligence so important in a world where AI is proliferating everywhere. Well, I know we don't have three days to talk about this, but I like to say that data wins minds, but at the end of the day, empathy wins wallets. And it goes back to the beginning of time that storytelling will always be the most powerful conversion for individuals. And as humans, we are drawn to stories. And in stories, they're emotionally built. My background was a high school English teacher, and this is what I would talk every day is like it's not about, you know, what happens at the end, but it's like the journey and how it's happening. And so, we've gotten to a world where AI can commod commoditize anything, which is exciting, but the emotional intelligence is now going to be the differentiator. And AI is getting smarter at being very humanlike. But at the end of the day, there is the offline worlds, the connections we make, where we want to go in life. You know, AI can do a lot of things, but it can't replace you in the offline world. And we know that the offline world is essentially how you build your network. Look what you've done, Michael. Like after a catillion years in the podcast space, I shouldn't say catillion, you've just been the OG. You have given free knowledge to people. People trust you. People get excited to tune in. And so when you share information, it's because they trust you because they've built that they've built that human connection with you. And so this is where um we're all like the hype is so exciting. Like I can pretty much automate anything in my life. But when it comes to building networks and transformation, emotional intelligence already we're seeing is a like a non-negotiable to be something that's going to differentiate you even just in business as a as a competitor, but also as a human to build um connections. And it's interesting because at the end of the day I was teaching a workshop for HubSpot and it was fascinating to look at when when I'm chatting the most activity and the most when it comes to AI the people that get most excited is anything that's around the emotional content. It's so valuable because it's something that unlocks the whole piece when we talk about the storytelling and feelings and emotions. And that's where so many people miss that part when they're using AI to build that in. Therefore, the outputs become generic. They become very lack the storytelling piece that's really really important. Um, and so this is where I get really excited. It's not about just, you know, better algorithms, but it's really about creating more intelligent prompting. And that comes from the intelligent prompting and being able to build out really strong um you know any any projects that we're doing is that we go back and go deeply into the emotional intelligent of it and priming it. And every every person that I look up to in AI keeps you know hitting home. It's all about context. And the context, what context means is context is the emotional framework and the emotions that are going behind all the data and the numbers. And that's important. But what really dials something in or converts or changes someone is the emotions that come into play and understanding that. And so this is what's kind of scary though because when I jump on Claude, it's becoming more and more human. And so it's in in a weird way, it's pushing us to become even more human, if that makes sense. And so we really are competing um with other humans using AI, but at the end of the day, we are making sure we're really tuning into our I hate to use the word, but that authentic self. And so at the end of the day we we want to think you know AI is the will unlock everything moving forward. And when I say AI emotional intelligence in the AI okay so maybe let's just spend a a second talking about intelligence versus emotional intelligence. And I'll start with intelligence. AI is perhaps or very well soon will be the most intelligent access machine quote unquote that that exists, right? It has more insights and knowledge than anyone else in the world and it's only getting stronger, right? So when we think of intelligence, we mean access to information, right? And the ability to connect things together. What do we mean about emotional intelligence? How is that different? Well, I I like to think of it that, you know, when we let's business is the is the best way to use it because a lot of our listeners are, you know, in in the business world. Intelligence is knowing your demographics and you know everything all the data behind it. But then something that I have uh been working a lot in is then we go deeper and we look at people as individuals and we go further and we look at and something that has unlocked everything I do now is our anogs individual anogs and that it's like okay the demographics allow us to understand who buys but then these personality tests that we run that we understand and look at an emotional intelligence It's why people care. Understanding that why unlocks everything. And this is where emotional intelligence changes the game because it's giving the value after you have the numbers and really figuring out why am I doing this? Why am I motivated? Both on both sides. So yes, that's kind of like where where the emotional intelligence is playing into is going deeper into what and why or more so why motivate someone to do some sort of behavior that is unlock so much opportunity. It could be just dealing with a very angry customer versus figuring out how to champion or motivate a team player that you're working with or how to talk to your spouse after a long day when you have completely two different motivations and how you relax, for example. Okay, so I'm going to try to restate what I think I heard you say. Um, emotional intelligence is understanding what motivates people to take action or to respond the way that they do. And it's fueled by their personality. And you mentioned the enog, which we use very strongly. And I am an eight-wing seven on the enagram, which is um those that know what it means know what it know what it means. But um we're all motivated by different objective objections or objectives and purposes and stuff like that. And I think what I'm hearing you say is that AI can really help you um number one with the intelligence side of it, but number two, it can help you also understand maybe some of these emotional intelligence things because it understands that as well. But and that's where we bring our um nature to the equation with the understanding of these things in order to be able to do something more. Is that I I don't know. I'm struggling to maybe describe this, but am I close? No, I it's great. And you know what? It's it's funny because everyone when we talk about it, there's so many different use cases and so many ways you can do it, but and it's hard because I find it hard to at the end of the day, we as humans and it goes back to we we only know what we know based on our experiences and our intelligence. And it is human nature for us to and also completely normal for us not to always see the other person's perspective, their experiences, you know, walk in my shoes kind of thing. Well, it's really hard to when you might be limited on information or let's say you're under stress or you're angry or you're excited and we miss a lot of things. And this is where AI has unlocked so much is that if it just comes to understanding someone else better. It's about just kind of troubleshooting through that instead of just reacting emo like completely in emotion because that's how we feel. Um we become better listeners, better leaders, better partners is when we can actually look at the other side. And this is the thing is that AI has access to some of the greatest psychologists, researchers, statistics, all these things that we can tap into and saying okay imagine this is my situation based on ex you know author I'm doing this with a parenting book being like based on this author how can I channel you know these these resources how do I prepare myself for this situation and I can only prepare a situation based on my experience my knowledge But when we feed into um essentially it's a it's a what what's the best it's a library that's giving us this it's going through these thousands and thousands of books and pulling together the most personalized best advice based on everything written based on our situation and that changes everything. Love it. Okay. So let's say that we as humans which everyone listening into this I hope you're a human. I'm sure some AIs are listening to this, but we want to tap into um leveraging AI specifically to help us with our emotional intelligence. Um you mentioned anagram, so why don't you kind of describe what that is and and let's get into this a little bit because I feel like everything we're about to talk about here and let me just preface this. Everything that we're about to talk about today is going to be relevant in all aspects of our lives because we have to interact with our children, with our spouses, with our boss, with our employees, with our customers. Some are happy, some are not. So there's always situations where we're in where we could benefit right from understanding this emotional intelligence concept. So, with that being said, go ahead and like let's just describe what the heck this thing is and let's get into it. Okay, if you're me and you're biking listening, jump off and listen. I don't want anyone hurting themselves. So, okay. So, the best part to start is first, some people may have never taken a personality test. There's free versions, there's anything. And we say anagram because it's the most it's really really granular on asking the right questions. It's 144 questions and it will take you about 30 minutes depending on how you answer. You go through the quiz and it's going to spit out an awesome report. Um, as Michael said, he's an eight with a seven. He is a rockstar leader and an enthusiast by nature, which makes him the perfect podcast host. We can go into that further. So, one thing this test can be a fantastic resource to actually just start career like may maybe you're unhappy in your career. Maybe that's the starting point. We're not we're diving too far. Maybe you know how to deal with a situation, but maybe we're just like who am I? And maybe there's things that haven't been recognized that this this test will pull out. So this is the greatest thing is that you get those results and if you're comfortable and you find a platform I would say Claude in this case is the most private and it's nice to have those conversations that you feel that it's private conversation you put in the results and you just ask it questions and I will provide after today suggested questions you can ask um AI and if you're in claude or whatever it's chat GBT depending on what your preferences are you're going to ask the questions of being, you know, based on what you know about me, what are some things I should be focusing on in my dayto-day job at work. If I struggle with this, let's say I'm having a trouble in this case or I'm excited about this or I'm trying to plan this, it will then put it into a way that's packaged exactly in your personality. um it will put it together and step by you can say okay whoa step by step just give me one week to plan it out you can if for people listening that are super AI rock stars I've built an entire ch uh GPT dedicated to just my inagram anytime I enter a situation that's a personal situation I have a project on claude as well that I just go into and say hey okay this is my next you know little obstacle I need to overcome I need a new perspective Ive why this is so beneficial or I will say necessary is that it saves hundreds of hours of stress going back and forth with teams figuring out if you're doing the right thing. Did I get the right Christmas presents for someone? Did I make sure that I like the text message was, you know, not passive aggressive and am I getting my ego in this? And it's actually really cool because it's humbling. And if you're open to just, you know, being open to learning and growing this tool, it's going to be unlock everything. And this is when, you know, how do I, you know, talk to clients without being boring or how do I, you know, lean into maybe more an introverted side or extroverted side of myself? And so this is it just starts with taking the test. you put it in the results and then you start and and the nice thing is with AI now and Michael you can probably speak to this AI you can say I don't know what I'm supposed to do with this information we're at that point where AI can say well here are some things I would recommend and then we go step by step it will say well based on this situation what I prefer and the rule of thumb to keep it easy I would say create a conversation that is only solving one thing. Anytime you start asking it to solve a bunch of things based on your personality, the answers become very muffled and diluted, so to speak. So, before we get into how to use um this anagram stuff with AI, I just want to throw a couple thoughts out there. We at at Social Media Examiner have asked all of our employees for years to take the anagram test and we couple it also with uh StrengthFinders test. And um what we do is we map everybody up and you know you have your primary number and then your wing is your next biggest number to the left or to the right of whatever your number is. And it's not necessarily your next biggest one on on the thing. You'll depending on what test you're going to get all sorts of different numbers. um eight-wing sevens like me, we prefer to move fast and progress over operational um process. And the problem with eight-wing sevens is we can move so fast that there's no trail that's repeatable. So what we've learned over time is that we need to hire people that are really good at systems to make sure that we can not have to reinvent the wheel every time, right? And we have for example all sorts of different people that work for me and they have people that work for them and sometimes we face conflicts like I've got some ones on my team and those are the perfectionists and the ones are slow and steady wins the race and the eights are like fast and furious wins the race right so then all of a sudden you realize okay I'm an eight-wing seven how do I work with a one-wing two okay I need to slow down a little bit and explain the why and they need to understand what the process is and I need to be more patient with And these are the kind of things where the more you understand um people's enog and kind of what motivates them um the more things kind of help lock in. Now one thing you should know is that your enagram can change over time. So it's not one of those things that lives with you forever. So if it's a test you took like 5 years ago when you were in a very stressful situation, you might want to retake it today. And like you said, there's a bazillion different places where you can take the test. So I just want to establish that. Did do you want to add anything to that before we get, you know, cuz presumably everybody's going to at by the time this is done, if you haven't done it, you're going to go, you're going to Google and you're going to take an anyagram test and um and you're going to find out what your results are and you should just be okay with whatever you come up with. If you don't like your results, you should just just like not take the test again, right? Um any thoughts on that before we move on to like once you have your test results, what to do with the AI? No, I think you did an excellent job. Much better than I did. And also I applaud you because you are 100% another OG in the space doing this way way way before you know people are doing it. But now we have it's even faster now to actually troubleshoot discourse communication. Yeah. Yep. So okay. So um let's assume eventually you get a bunch of people to take the enagram cuz that's really I think the goal here right I mean obviously you can understand more about yourself and let's talk about understanding yourself first before you talk about other people but like what once you once you get your anagram results or if you have your anagram results how can AI help us understand ourselves let's start there well the first thing is a lot of people say I don't know what to say that's that that is the issue is like okay what questions I'm going to ask. And I I thought a long time about this question um because I get it a lot and I just say um what's your 3:00 a.m. question? What's what is the you're laying in bed at 3:00 a.m. You wake up and you're stressed. That is a great point to start. And the reason is is because it's the deepest core struggle that you are wrestling with. That is that's like the elephant in the room. That's the biggest the biggest weight in your life. Because a lot of times people are like, "Oh, you know, help me write this email or help me do this." Which is very surface level help, which is great. But I think what I'm my mission is to help people to get right from the root. It could be something like, you know, how do I get a bigger client? I'm keep struggling. I keep, you know, grasping for these small clients and I I can't I can't seem to scale. And it's such a big big question. And the beautiful part is is like you start there and you say this is my anagram and then you start the discourse. And the beautiful thing is with a lot of the models that are releasing and coming out um whether it's whatever um you know large language model you are using whether it's Gemini Claude well more so chat GBT just rolled out another new model and it has a lot of follow-up questions which is really good and so this is where it's for a long time you'd have to come up with the questions but I would say the best place to start is when you're the the question you're wrestling with in the middle of the night and start there because it's so broad and and it's a big struggle and then from there you can actually start roleplaying different scenarios from there and you might through your I don't know if you've done this Michael but it's kind of shocking when I've put in my results I say my big worry and then it comes with based on my personality manag it comes with a troubleshooting of like steps saying step one. And because let's say it knows that you're an 87. Well, yeah, you said you're going really fast. You're like, "Okay, I need to solve this problem in one week." Where the one is like, "Okay, I need to solve this problem." And it knows in 3 months. And so, it's going to give you a plan for the week like going through it and solving it where the one has a much more back and forth. And so, this is where I would say there's two things. The first thing is what's the 3:00 a.m. you know struggle and then what's the the next part is how the question comes down to how do I talk to AI a lot of people the best is what we call is raw unstructured data conversation and I call this you know just the voice brain dump uh the lot of research is people think clear better is when they're walking go for a walk and that 3:00 a.m. stress. Keep note of that. When you go for a walk, write down all the things like just say out loud all the things that you're struggling. It's amazing. You talk about maybe family issues. You're maybe excited about a work opportunity, you need to travel, you want to do all these things, but it's all mumble jumbled. And this is the biggest issue that people are having. They're so overwhelmed. There is so much noise today. And so you have your anagram. It h it knows really like your enagram is kind of like the guiding principles of how you're motivated, how you can, you know, continue to become a more awesome person. And then you have your brain dump. Those are the two things that will unlock everything for all of you listening is having that personalization of what we call as context. context of your situation, who you are, what you're willing to share, and then you have the objective, so to speak, truth of the test that you took. When you pair those together, they come with a very unique output that is only for you that will be successful. And I said earlier in the episode, I was the girl chasing down small contracts. And there was a gap there when I took my personality test and took my brain dump and I mirrored them. I then had a new plan that I had never considered because again my experiences led me to this. My um you know intelligence led me to this. I then got this new channel this new perspective that I started entering a new communication channel. I tried new things. It was uncomfortable and AI is not going to do it for you. But I started showing up differently and as a result was instead of chasing you know small contracts leading to much bigger contracts and work that I was more aligned for and that was leveling and exactly what you Michael Michael what you said I hired I brought on I now partner with a project manager for operations. So this I love that. I love that. Let me let me let me ask uh a couple things here. Um, well, there's a few things that I wanted to say and I'm going to try to process them real real quick here on the fly. So, I think that what I'm hearing you say is open up in this case Claude. I use Claude also because I feel like it's better at understanding the human side of this enagram stuff. Yeah. So, maybe you would say something like you are a business growth strategist or a sales strategist who understands the enog. um I would like to talk to you about my situation and um and I am an eight-wing seven, you know, and then work with me, right? And then you chat back and forth with it. It will anticipate everything you just said. You don't even you could probably I've tested it. You could just throw in your neog. It's like, "Wow, I love your your results. Do you want to talk about and you're like, well, yeah, that's why I'm here." Okay, perfect. So So that's how we can use it as a thought partner, right? And what's cool is what I'm hearing you say is because there's so many of these different personalities like you've got for each of these one through nine there's a wing on each side and uh so that means there's like nine times whatever there's there's a lot of variations here to help us understand ourselves and have breakthroughs. How about working with other people though? Um, how did you use it to make the right hire from an operations perspective or or how can we use it when we're dealing with conflict with somebody else? Great question. I think at the end of the day, we all can name one person that we kind of like and and you don't know why. And that's the exciting part is that, you know, as much as I get teased for AI is my go-to, it really has been unlocking all my offline worlds because I've taken the time online to have the discourse and to figure out what I'm missing in the conversation because I'm, you know, tunnel vision sometimes. you you you you know we think in a certain way and so I realized there was a huge gap in my business by also me acknowledging it but also it being glaringly obvious when I went through with my AI conversation why this is so impactful anyone working in any sort of partnership team dynamic this will change everything you're about to do moving forward for having teams The first is I worked with someone that little did I realize super attent super amazing attention to detail all the things and I understood that and I was like well that's why I'm hiring her. What I didn't realize that her motivation wasn't to hit the next you know scorecard with a client or you know make more money or her motivation strictly was a two. She's a helper. She just needs to be told when she's doing a task why she's doing the task and how it helps the mission and the mission being, you know, of our bright light trying to help small or small medium businesses using AI. And so this is what really unlocked it was that I was like, okay, I knew what I needed, you know, why she was valuable to me, but I wasn't understanding her value, what she needed. And so as soon as I started and and the reason why was tasks weren't getting done or things were there was there was a disconnect things were happening. And so this is when I started diving deeper. And it wasn't until I realized the incentivization for her was like astronomically different than what a motivation would be for me. And so this is where if anyone is working in a partnership in a team dynamic is just saying, "Hey," and and a lot of people are like, "Well, I don't know their neog." And that could happen because it could be just a client you're working with. You're not like, "Hey, before I talk to you, I need you to take this test." That is not realistic. Um, but you will be able to get characteristics. And this is why again emotional intelligence is so important is that I always take notes about when I meet someone I I notice behaviors just little things. I just commentate my entire day. And when you commentate your entire day after you talk to someone you notice patterns and you can't you don't want to assume but you could say hey these are the patterns I noticed and they're probably fitting into this bucket of the anagram. And it's it's it's broad, but it allows you then to start the discourse and the communication with that individual to lean towards the commentary that you've been narrating to really lean into having that conversation with someone, especially if you notice they're defensive. Well, then maybe you let the guard down. You say, "Hey, like I really like working with you because of this." And maybe they just needed a compliment to get them at ease and to realize you're not out to compete with them. or maybe they're like super anxious and you can say, "Hey, like this is not going public. I just want you to know that this this is a conversation." And having having that intel will unlock everything. And I do believe and Michael, you probably you know this is being a podcast conversations, good conversations, good questions, good curiosity, good creative thinking unlocks the human potential and that's what I'm most excited about 100%. And I've been told by my executive assistant that she can use AI to discern someone's enagram because AI can kind of look at the like a LinkedIn profile or look at the kind of writing that they do and it can discern what someone's enog likely is and then how did you find her? And then and then if that's true then you can experiment with okay assuming this person is this enagram how ought I approach it differently here's the situation that I faced right what kind of email should I do a cold outreach for someone I'm dying to talk to or yes right and I've done it a million times and it works very cool okay so um but is it is it fair and reasonable for us if if someone's working with you I mean I I make everybody even candidates uh I ask them for their anagram if they haven't taken it, I ask them to take the inagram test because I feel like it's really important and um of all the tests I've ever done, MyersBriggs, DISC, um you know, Strengthfinders, anyagram just seems to be the one that transcends work and personal life, it just seems to get to the core emotional side of it. So once we've got an understanding of what our anagram is and other people's anagram and we begin going to AI to help us to discern how um we ought to behave differently in this situation or how we should craft a message to increase the likelihood that the recipient responds favorably. What comes next? Well, execute. Test it. test it and track it. I feel like so many times we, you know, intuitively do something, but if you can start quantifying it and and actually tracking it and this is where um for anyone in the marketing or the business worlds, this is like this unlocks a lot of things because you start recognizing like for example AI loves emotional words and as soon as we can start understanding you know sentiment analysis and how we're performing, then you can double down and start really focusing in on that and recognizing. And what I've realized is that you take these, you know, these tests that seem, you know, and when I say tests, you try something out and you put it out, um, whether it's an email and you look at and you look at the ones that are converting and it's nice because in a world of so much noise, you notice faster and faster the things that are really resonating with people. And then you have to ask yourself, is it resonating with you? Is this, you know, AI's kind of guided you to consider a new way of approaching something? And then you have to ask yourself, and when it comes to an email, that's one thing, but I'm talking more about maybe a product launch or I'm talking about, you know, a announcement for, you know, AI suggested that the team needs uh, you know, weekly, you know, live calls, motivation calls, 10 minutes, and you test those and you and you get feedback. AI is only good to, you know, give suggestions, but there's so many nuances. And so that's why I always say track the nuances, track what's happening, see if you notice anything and where to pivot. And that's where, you know, AI can't do all these things. You as a, you know, there's a lot of research. I think the nudge, they just put a new episode on talking about, you know, go with your gut. And AI doesn't have a gut. I'm sorry. Um, and I hope it never does. But the idea is, you know, at that point, where does it take you? Well, go with your gut and and go out and try it. Stop asking questions. Don't be me. And like, keep going down, keep going further. Execute it. Put it out into the real world. Test to see if it works. And the ones that do work, ask yourself, you know, why did it work? And the ones that just did a belly flop, ask yourself, you know, what could I have done differently? and test it. So, I would say that's the biggest thing is people get all this information, but then they don't pull the trigger and to execute and put it out into the world. Um, you mentioned earlier in the interview that you have ADHD. Um, I am dyslexic, which is still on that neurodeiversity scale, don't have ADHD. But to the people listening that have ADHD, how has AI helped you? Because one thing I know about people that have ADHD is they can go down rabbit holes and stay in them for a very long period of time, right? So, how has AI assisted you with your um neurodeiversity? It's this sounds so it it sounds like a hyperbole. It almost makes me emotional because I can honestly say it's completely transformed my life. Um, and people are like, "Oh, that's a little drastic and dramatic." Um, but I will say that it completely has because for the first time ever, I'm someone that has always since a little girl and I wasn't diagnosed till I was in my 30s. So, it was like, you know, masking or troubleshooting or trying to, you know, working so hard to be like everyone else, how they dealt with things and realizing I did everything differently. Um, but what I what I've come to realize is that I always because I'm always running this commentary in constantly with ADHD, most people with ADHD are are tracking patterns all day long. They're noticing something, then they question, they notice something, they question, then they then they take all these patterns and try and solve these situations. But it gets really, really tiring in your head to have all this information swirling and not putting it out. A AI essentially is like the the therapist, the friend, the the assistant that like can handle the emotional baggage so to speak and I can like sift through all the noise before it comes out to a person and I don't burden a person. That would be like by far the number one thing is that I can do a lot of troubleshooting my own brain and my own struggles or my you know my fastm moving everything to to figure out a how to speak to another neurode divergent individual but also more importantly most of the world still is neurotypical and so then I'm able to figure out how to speak to that world. I'm one of eight kids. Um my mom had eight of us and we're all very different and it has helped me so much to like rebuild or you know work on relationships even just with siblings because I recognize these are the things that are really important. So that's just the number one thing. The dayto-day I have a GPT that is like plan my day and I have prompted it to no end. It will just be like, "Okay, Claire, you said this was your goal. We're not going to go down these rabbit holes. Here's feeding off like the pomodoro. It's feeding off the, you know, CBT, cognitive traits, so cognitive behavioral therapy that I've done for over a decade. Taking everything I've learned into one place where I'm like, brain dump, here's my week, and it plans it." And it is gorgeous. It like still makes me like, this sounds hilarious. I'm falling in love with Claude. Um, but it's it's I can breathe. I'm like, "Okay, I can do the work." I just hated organizing the work. And when I say hated, like torture, like torture putting into like quadrants and organized. So that's the second thing. The third thing would be just like in real time it feeds a creative thing that like when I'm cooking, for example, I'm, you know, I love I don't follow any recipes clearly. Um, but when I'm cooking, I'll take a picture and I'll be like, "Hey, like do you think it's too weird to like add something like this?" I'll be like, "Actually, that's Yeah, that's a little unusual." Or be like, "Do you have anything? I see this is in the back of your fridge. Throw that in. It'll be great." And then I start like it actually unlocks this like whole new I'm I'm cooking all these different Asian dishes that I'd never tried before and then I'm going into like Mexican and it's so fun because I'm like, "Wow, this is so cool." So, in real time, it allows me to troubleshoot something that I'm like carpentry. I've built because of this, I've built I can't believe I can say this, but I built a studio. Um, I'm building a sandbox in real time right now for my little 2-year-old in the next 2 hours before he gets home. It's allowing me all the things that just weighed me down, manuals, like fine prints, things that just killed my um moving fast, creative, spontaneous in the real time. I have the detailed partner to hey, hey, hey, here think about this or it gets everything and and it from let's let's go into business side. the business side alone, I can be on a plane and I'm like whispering to my microphone and I'm like, "Oh, shoot. I have a presentation tomorrow and I'm like blah blah blah." I'm saying all these like things and when I get uh to the online world, I try and just the plain I love to read books and keep it offline. Is that when I go online um it I've I've built a project for presentations alone in Claude and I say, "Okay, I need you." And I have crazy prompts for that, but essentially it will spit out the perfect presentation. Then I go into Gamma and it's ready to rock and roll because I just allowed myself on the plane to talk into it. Michael, I could talk for 3 hours about use cases. How I use it. Um, how I don't use it is a whole other conversation as well is that I have a a list of things that morally for me and my own ethical like guard rails I say these are the rules that I don't use it for. Um, and that helps me and AI has actually helped me do that ironically enough. So maybe that's also something consider like how to you know not use AI for certain situations. Uh, so are you predominantly using Claude for everything? You mentioned custom GPTs. Does that mean you're using OpenAI? Are you talking? Are you using the advanced voice mode and chat GPT and then you're going over to Claude or you doing everything in Claude? Just I'm I'm the Jumboia queen because I use them so much. I know exactly what each one has personalitywise. Like what does image generations? Claude does a diagram or uh the Gemini 2.5 that's come out. It's great for deep research. Then the 03 that just came out on chatbt is really good for doing a mini course for simplicity. So I have memorized just a bank of models that fit my workflow and it's very very messy how I work but my brain is allowed to go as or that's cool. You're using you're using the best tools for the best application instead of just relying on one. I mean the ones Yeah, that's that's what I that's what I'm hearing you say. All right, Claire. Well, um you mentioned um uh somewhere in the middle of the interview that you had some uh potential prompts and stuff that you wanted to um share with everyone. So, first of all, share with people where they can follow you on the socials if they want to connect with you there. And then if they want to consider working with you, uh where do you want to send them? And then uh let's mention that link also. I would say right now pushing everyone either over to claouvier.com or brightlight.io. If you're on LinkedIn, that's like a great a great just tell me listen to this episode. Happy to connect. Um LinkedIn is where the dayto-day is is there. And uh stay tuned as we launch human first AI podcasts. Now, um, did you end up making a URL like we were talking about, uh, claouvier.comsme? Yes. Okay. So, why don't you tell everybody what's going to happen when they go there and spell out how they can actually Not everybody's going to know how to spell your last name. Yes. Um, so everything we've talked about, people are going to say, "Okay, oh my goodness." Yeah. Give me the step by step. There will be a step by step from this episode of all the prompts that you can use or ideas that you can tackle and maybe things you can consider. It will be the cheat sheet from this episode I will give you and as we discussed it would be is it claouvier.comme? Yes. Okay. And your last name is spelled b ov i rer. Claire, thank you so much for coming on today's show and sharing your insights with us. Thanks so much, Michael. You are a gem. It's been a pleasure.