How Ivan sold an Amazon Affiliate site for $200k - Interview by Matt Diggity

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[Music] hello hello thanks for joining us today today I'm sitting down with an SEO named Ivan who recently sold his affiliate site for $200,000 and I wanted to talk to Ivan about his experience and it turns out to be a super cool story so I talked Ivan into doing this interview and even better Ivan has agreed to share just about all his secrets on how he ranked monetized and sold his site so let's get started Ivan my friend tell us a bit about yourself how old are you and where are you from what's up guys so um I am 23 years old originally I'm from uh eastern Ukraine but now I live in um in United States of course Virginia and um yeah I've been that's yeah cool cool you're very young man did you go to college or you just jump straight into SEO yeah funny thing about that man well I went to college if you want count it I think it was seven or eight days and then I left um and then I pretty much after that decided to go ahead and just find a way to make some money because I just thought it was such a important thing to do sure sure just not your thing I get it I get it have you helped any jobs before you started SEO oh my God man so many like I lost count dude they're all really like they're all like shitty jobs any particular ones that stood out to you um in in terms of good or bad either either anything interesting um bad jobs yeah working morning shifts in RBS um that was horrible work at warehouses uh in a freezing cold and during the winter that that sucked really bad probably the best jobs I've had were driving for Uber and for lft in Washington DC um you still can call that a job but you get all the flexibility in the world to to make some money and uh I I really enjoyed that get talk to a lot of people and meet some really interesting uh individuals and so yeah cool man like I I have this curiosity for some reason like I have curiosity about certain jobs and one of them is being a taxi driver so I have to ask you do you have any crazy or funny stories from being an Uber driver all right so man I I've I've always had some laps here and there but nothing really stood out in terms of funny but crazywise yeah um all right so this happened this year man uh 20 in April at the end of April I was just doing a really big week of just you know riding back and forth between uh DC and and the uh suburbs and I picked up this guy in uh the Union Station which is a train station in Washington DC and I had to take him like an hour home so uh really really cool guy you know very business oriented you know like 35 36 years old or so and um and we get we started talking about business and cars and what I want to do what I want to do um I'm sorry my car um what I want to do with my life and stuff like that and so it was a really good conversation then he brought up that he bought a new Ferrari I was like holy crap dude that's awesome um they showed me a picture and stuff like that so I believed him and then like as I approached his house he's like hey man you want to check it out I'm like no problem hell yeah he opens the garage and there it was I was like holy [ __ ] you are not lying so um he's you know he took it out started it up reved it a little bit I was like wow this is awesome man uh he's like you want you want to take it for a test drive I was like don't [ __ ] me man yeah you want to than for test drive like dude yes what do I got to give you my license some money what do I got do he's like no just go down the street man so I went about three four miles down the road to 7-Eleven got myself sweet tea came right back and uh obviously one piece and uh yeah it was like first time I ever drove a Ferrari and let alone actually experienced being in side of Ferrari and first time ever anyone has ever has ever trusted me with anything that expensive in my life so I was blown away but uh I also made a friend so that was you know it was very uh very very interesting experience that probably by far the craziest thing I've happened to me being a driver that's a freaking rad story man I I definitely would have killed myself in that thing but you're like a car dude right you really like sports cards isn't that right oh oh dude I'm Die Hard carard person so yeah that must have been a treat so uh let's talk a little bit about SEO when did you get into SEO and how did it happen yeah I got into SEO probably I can't really put my finger on exactly the date but say late 2010 early 2011 I just started playing I just started dabbling around with like Affiliates just doing random like funnels and affilate stuff I had no idea what the hell I was doing so I that's how I kind of got started okay did did you like end up taking any like coures or were you following any fle free blogs like what was your education like in SEO um it my SEO education didn't really start like until like 2012 or so um I'd say that that's that's pretty much when I started doing AO I just start reading blogs like smart passive income and Pursuits Etc you know a whole bunch of other blogs and I kind of put some knowledge together and you know I started to rank some stuff here and there but it wasn't very effective when I was doing it I was just doing those crazy blog comments and I thought those things were going to make my sites R okay what do what do you think was like the turning point of when you started to kind of figure things out by far okay my first successful project that I made was I I made a website about The Walking Dead right and uh it was it was half illegal half legal I just was providing free like like a slideshow of like the free comics and like I built just some very basic backlinks to it but like traffic started coming to the site since it was like obviously free and like within like three months or so I went from like a thousand visitors a day to about like 12,000 visitors a day um I I built like no back links and I was getting like 150 to 250 visitors on the site at the single time so I was like and I obviously I had no I have no idea I had no idea what to how to monetize it aside from AdSense so and I that's also when I made my first like 3,000 in a month which was like crazy I've never made that much money in my life before so I was that that made me like more confident in what I was doing and then I got sh down by the way like in October attorney sent me a letter saying hey uh season to Seas I'm like [ __ ] oh snap well okay tell me more about this the site you actually sold like you don't have to reveal the exact Niche or anything and definitely don't like mention the URL or anything but uh what was the overall theme like what Niche was it in I mean like the high level Niche and how did you up with it sure um so I I picked I I kind of thought of this n was it's kind of like the automo miss you know kind of General Automotive n stuff like that but what I did was I kind of just thought of a random name something that sounds catchy and I was like okay cool this should be something cool I can make an e-commerce site out this out of this or something like that um and I just kind of started working on a little by little um and over time I kind of like I ignored for a little bit because I was working on some other projects and then like I was like man I should really just start digging deep into the site randomly I just didn't I didn't really want to work on it but I I had like no other projects to work on okay um so I just went ahead and Dove right into it um and um I was just like I was like as long as if I could make a 100 bucks out of this thing in a month I'd be satisfied all right and um so I started I started following some other blogs like like like um like um we called Source wave and stuff like that and I just you know started buy buying fivr gigs and other gigs to get like you know site ranking and I I hit a 100 bucks a month like within like two months oh very nice man and so you said you got came up with a clever name for I'm guessing you went with like a branded domain yeah it was it was I'd say it's probably a branded domain it's nothing like it's not yeah it's I'd say it sounds like a branded made me okay all right cool cool and when did you start it like when did it was a brand new domain when you started the site you said you named it yourself right it wasn't expired domain right okay cool no it wasn't expired it was it was new got it got it and when when did you start the domain um I'd say end of April early May of like 2015 very cool okay now let's start to dig into the on-site SEO for this site first question I have for you is how about the keyword research what was your strategy there um initially I for the longest time I just pretty much was like I'm gonna find three to four main keywords I'm going to use them in my URL I'm going to use them as in my title and also in my headings H2 H3 maybe even H4 but that's not very important and and also in my meta description area and that's pretty much where I kind of focus them uh my main keywords act and also of course in the body itself I kind of was kind of I kind of took it out took the average of like 10 people in the first page for the main keywords and I kind of like figured out exactly how much how many times should have them in there so um yeah that's pretty much how I did my key research um I mean how I kind of put it onto the on-site um and I use Google Keyword Planner to find all the keywords and sometimes I use I'd use sem rush but Keyword Planner was the best okay got it got it and finally like how big was your site was it kind of small laser targeted or was it would you consider it was like an authority site with a lot of pages a lot of content um it's it's more of a it's more of an authority site it's not I I made I made it a goal from the start to um when I started actually get in traction um that I should I want to go ahead and make this general you know not not not be like stuck with just you know one topic and then I can't I couldn't expand from there I want it to be like essentially about the whole category it's you know okay got it I think I understand and like give us a give us a feeling like how many pages of content did you have for the site and did you end up writing it all yourself yeah um I I'd say at this point I've from the time from the day I sold it I had buy 100 pieces of content and I pretty much wrote it myself like 99% of it wow I out I outsourc a few piece of content but aside from that I I did it myself I guess that's like one of the gain advantages of being enthusiastic about your Niche like you can just plow out content it's probably was really solid too I have to say yeah damn impressed it was fun man I learned so much about the stuff that actually like didn't find interesting at at a glance But like after I did some research I was like holy crap this is important you know so yeah it was it was awesome wow um did you use any kind of outside help any vas no man I was intimidated by using vas from for a while so I didn't ask for any vas at all I actually I didn't feel comfortable I didn't feel comfortable giving somebody else uh the ability to write content about cars that I be a be able to write up the best so I went ahead and just wrote myself wow wow so about how long were your articles and and I get this question a lot like were you using Pages or posts for your ranking content I was using posts and my my my content was usually between 1,00 words to say, 1500 words it wasn't super long but I think it was you know Fair a decent amount in terms of words right and did you have like a Blog roll for your homepage like so the post were coming up there over time yes yes okay cool thanks for clarifying on that I get this question a lot like should I make my home page a page or a post and you know different size fits for every category and you know obviously you were able to pull off a very big win going with the posts on front and for some people they might go want to go with the pages on front so there's no one siiz fits all for sure yeah I agree man and uh how often would you make a new post um I made it like I wanted to actually push out all the content as fast as I could so for a while I was doing like five pieces of content a week um or if not more um but after things start to kind of uh us started to kind of getting tired of writing stuff I kind of just made it about maybe five pieces a month five pieces of content a month yeah fair enough you're Beast dude um yeah you're turning out the content how about siloing did you apply any like interlinking strategies linking together Pages funneling around link juice yeah man um I I kind of started doing Silo siloing after like a few months of the site has been running um so yeah I I just kind of like open up a notepad and I wrote down all the posts and stuff like that and then I kind of like put three to four to five related posts that are related to that one post and then I kind of like you know link inter link things like that I didn't make the perfect silos but I thought I think that interlinking kind of helped my rankings I I I strongly believe that I read I read your uh your um your SEO guide on pageo guide that's pretty much how I implemented everything oh cool cool yeah I mean it's it's basic stuff and you know if you just Shuffle around link juice to the more most important Pages or even if you go like full blast out which it sounds like you did just find anything related to anything and just get the link juice flowing everywhere like you'll see major benefits and I'm sure you saw the same right yeah definitely I mean I think one of the things uh that kind of proved that was like like out of all my like out of out of all the content I had on the site before I sold it like maybe like 10 or 11 pages out of the posts out of those were getting some serious link juice and everything else was had like no links whatsoever yet and a yet a whole bunch other posts that had no links were ranking like really really well so I think yeah the interlinking and stuff like that that like played a big role dude that's evidence right there I mean there's no reason a pagee would rank unless it had in inter link ju flowing to it you know exactly man nailed it uh can you share any other onsite SEO tips or golden nuggets that you've uncovered through this project sure um I'm trying I'm trying to think so interlinking that's super crucial you know even you said you said the same thing um uh let's see me being able to actually have of course like I said a proper on um on page kind of like oh yeah here it is um you mentioned this a while ago too but I I fixed this with my site because I realiz like way over optimized my site for for for a while I had it like one of those one or two word phrases like like 10 to 15% out of like the whole like article right and I went up I went in there and I picked that and um I believe that actually did also improve my rankings um there there were there were a few times where like after I did some changes like a month or two later my rankings like my traffic just went Sky reted up and um I think that has had to do a lot with it because like um yeah like I went back there and checked to see what my ratio was for like the single or two- word phrases and like there was really really high but when I fixed that for a lot of them um I I saw some changes for sure within month or two yeah nice man like keyword density you're talking about keyword density right yeah exactly yeah yeah like we I mean I take on a lot of projects myself from doing Launchpad and one of the best things we try to look for is like a high keyword density because you change that stuff it's almost a guaranteed Improvement in a couple of weeks so glad you found that one out okay yeah for sure me also like like you may write like I guess I don't know like if you read you can read something or you can write something it's not until you go over it you go over the content again and you say for instance you you do like the whole control F and then find a single word throughout the whole article and you see just how many times it is like in a single paragraph then you're going to see like holy crap like just reading it I didn't notice it too much but when I actually highlight all the words in the article you can see how densely packed it is yeah um you know what I'm saying for sure I get it all the time cool man uh let's move on to offside SEO one of the most common questions I get with related to on offsite SEO is what are the first links I sent to my site so I got the same question for you like what were the first links you sent to the site yeah so uh this back then when I started to actually do hardcore like SEO to the site which was in December 2015 um this is where I was started finding out about um the about the social signals with demain Authority Stacks Etc so that's pretty much what I made my goal to do is send uh send some domain Authority stacks uh to the site I use like I use source market for that um and then I also started sending some social signals to various URLs and then after that I did some I did a press release even some local citations and uh most of the things I sent to the homepage like a few few of those I sent um primarily the domain Authority Stacks I sent a few of those to like some of the main main like guides or posts that I had in the site and I did that for the first two months okay I'm just going to save myself the effort later I'm going to get about a thousand messages about uh what source market Gig you use for da stacking so can I get that from you later yeah sure man okay sweet man um yeah it's very interesting you started out with da stacking like I I was consider it to be a lot of work for me so I try to rank my sites with the normal stuff pbn citation and press release but if I get stuck I'll hit it with the kitchen sink which is like stacking and Trust tiers and stuff like that but you seem to have a gig for it and that would just make everything a lot easier right so good on you for finding that uh how how big were the stacks and did you were they end up uh powered up with like GSA or anything like that yeah so yeah the the stacks I I bought the highest level that the guy had which was a stack of 40 um so like I did about three of those and yeah they were they were um there was GSA um software that was used to power them up and um so that I think that's pretty much what F what kind of contributed to the domain Authority kind of going up on my site oh nice now in our preall like I remember you mentioning you ended up finding some paid links from real sites with traffic and all that uh how did you end up finding these kind of sites it was all by accident man I was using Majestic to just kind of spy spy on my on my competitors's backlinks and stuff like that and then I found a couple like just backlinks that was there was like really high domain Authority and really high page Authority I was like how how in the world does this low affiliate site have this link so I went in there and I took a look and it's like oh whoa I can just give you money you can put my link here so uh I did that I did that and then what I did from there was I looked at all the other links on that page and see what other people had on their for the back links and I found like 10 more after that oh very nice so you kind of reverse engineered competition found some links that were going to them that had like I'm guessing they had like a donate to us and then you can have your link here kind of thing right yeah exactly sweet and then you reverse engineered some of the other guys that had links on that page and you found even more right yeah Ben yeah that was that was like probably one of the biggest breakthroughs I had I think that also contribute a lot to The Domain Authority because like those sites had like the trust flow and like citation flow like anywhere between 30 and like 70 um and a lot of them were like do follow links too ah okay got it got it it very nice man clever well the the whole reason we actually know each other is because I met you from being a digy links customer so you were indeed using pbn's busted uh how long did how long did you wait before uh building pbn links to your site so I I from the get-go I was like all right I initially had like my own pbns for other sites but that fielded uh so I was like all right man I'm not going to do it myself so I'm gonna hire somebody else to do it so it took a while to find somebody but like I was like all right I'm going to wait about 3 four months Max before I start point pbn and that's why I did all the domain Authority stacking and stuff like that to kind of get the um kind of get like a base going since it was it was already it was for a new site so yeah waited about three four months and I'd say I started putting pbn to the site like in March 2015 no sorry 2016 okay cool cool um and I I have to ask how did My Links work out for you I think that's exactly why my S ended up being where it is today nice no kiding man like those things like [ __ ] magic man thanks you made my day um do you mind uh telling us about your anchor teex strategy sure sure um so I followed yours on on the guide you wrote but I also kind of kind of made my own up a little bit what I did was like I it was anything like wasn't well structured really but like I pretty much just want a Target to Target like long long tail kind of phrases like and that had a couple of like the main keywords in those phrases say like you know let me give you an example um say toast right best toasters right so I would have like top 10 toasters to buy for your kitchen okay that that would be the banker text right and I would have that like 50% of the time for for in individual posts um another 25% or so would be like uh like URLs or like those like branded like links like you know uh say best Toaster central.com right so that would be my other that would be like 25% of my anchor text and then like out of like say out of like 10 anchor texts that pick one of them would be like exact match um so that's that's how I did it you know like I said like long long tail anchor text then some brandable ones then some random like KCK clicker ones and then like 10% of the time I would have like the exact match so that's it really interesting so overall it was pretty aggressive I mean even though you use exact match once almost I don't know a majority of your keywords had or a majority of your anchors had keywords in them right because he said you had a lot of longtail and just a little bit of I don't know branded kind of stuff so that's cool like that just goes to show you know what is penguin looking at right now cuz if if like most people would think like penguin rolls around they're going to get you on the anchors but you're really aggressive and you definitely survived penguin so that's that's a cool little point of knowledge there yeah I mean I I didn't think I was doing aggressive I only used like exact match like once for the links and for each page that's about it like everything else was like um it was just like long tail but I also remember you I use like those um synonyms or like those like is a different meaning for that same word that kind of thing I did that quite a few times for the other for other posts that I made so like I don't know I don't know what you call those LSI keywords yeah LSI keywords I did that so awesome awesome and okay tell us about social signals like did you did you use them did you buy them did you get them naturally from like an very active uh Facebook page or did you like run any Facebook ads did what did you do for social so yeah I I also use the same guy I got the demand Authority Stacks from uh for the signals and what he would do typically was like you can pick a package right so I would typically go with like the the four URL package and like You' take four different URLs I'd give them like different anchor texts or like descriptions that would have for the for the S signals and then like he'll drippy them over the course of like 14 days got it okay each each individual URL cool cool did you end up sending any other links besides the ones mentioned already like blog comments or I don't know you said web 2.0's are part of Da stacking but did you do any like blog comments directory stuff like that yes uh I I think I had about two directory links one of them actually third third one is still pending but the best of the webs um I know that's like you pay 150 bucks for a year and you can get a link there so that's something else I haven't got to yet but I think it's a really good directory to go to um I did have a few few other directory links um they're like you know just pay eight bucks 10 bucks and you get you know lifetime link there um um and then yeah I actually had um probably maybe like 10 to 20 blog comments that I kind of went out there manually searched through my competition through Majestic U so I kind of made that they were like random anchor Texs like with like various different names like Steve Josh Zack you know like those are pretty much the URLs going to the site the anchor text going to the site right okay how did the did that pretty much not to get link juice but just to kind of I don't know if this makes sense but to diversify the anchor Tex ratio like I don't make it look natural yeah absolutely makes sense did you end up uh like bothering tracking your followed versus no follow ratios on your links I haven't man I I didn't I never even thought of that really I don't know what the importance of that is I'm I'm sure it's important but I don't know what the importance is um I haven't tried doing that though I find it just makes things a little bit look a little bit natural like there's going to be a good balance between follow and do follow links on any natural looking site but you defitely pass the test anyways because you're getting links from all different sources and some of them are going to be follow versus do follow just naturally so I think you just you you got it like you nailed it anyways yeah man I I think a lot of I think more than half my links are actually no follow um and that's primarily because I have like um probably about like 20 to 30 like uh links from like uh what do you call those press press releases and a lot of those were no fall links initially so like I think that that kind of set me like half half kind of um you know at this point you're absolutely right that's one of the main awesome benefits of press releases um what did you do like did you do any Outreach or content marketing or whatever they're calling it these days did you do any of that I haven't I I haven't I know that's a really good strategy to implement I'm just I I've been scared to do it I'm I don't know who to reach out to I didn't think my content is that great to people to work people would link out link out to me but maybe it is that good maybe it's just me being you know negative about my site in terms of like quality but I I know it's a good strategy to do and I'm going to implement it in in the future for sure um but I haven't done it for the site in the past gotcha well hats off to the white hat folks have figured out how to do this and scale it like I'm intimidated by by it myself man I'm tell you just being honest yeah hats off here too man that's a that is some persistence right there yeah yeah okay cool let's talk about monetization like how didd you monetize this bad boy sure so uh first thing I did was I placed Amazon affiliate codes on the SL and that's pretty much it and I did that for a while and then I think like six months later after I got the sites and come to you know get the ball rolling I added some AdSense in there okay good old Amazon did you try any other methods like CPA no man I I'm not sure like uh I didn't I couldn't think of uh how I could Implement that there I just I I wasn't too crazy about it CU I didn't really know how like how I could make it work really good so that's why I didn't do I didn't put it in there but I'm sure it going to work I just I just don't know how to do it properly yeah yeah I'm not that familiar with the auto Niche but I haven't seen many CPA offers there but yeah it's probably exists somewhere you rather put like links to like allate or something or Geico and get some kind of commission off that sure there you go for sure uh okay question did you get all your traffic from organic or did you mix in like any PPC or email marketing anything like that no uh pretty much 98% of the traffic is like organic okay cool the same as me Strictly Organic man Whole Foods yeah I think that's more well it's guess more targeted you know like people are searching for a specific topic find your site so yeah it's better cool cool uh this is like a question some people are sensitive about so maybe you don't really want to answer it but at the point you sold your site what was your monthly Revenue looking like so like the month like uh before I sold the site like uh the site made me like just a tad over $18,000 which was like insan the most money ever made probably ever a month yeah so very cool man awesome for a 23 year old and um since you were you I have to ask this like you had so much passive income it's the most money you've ever made like what made you decide to sell the site um I I didn't want to sell a site at all to be honest I was just like all right I initially thought that it would take a while to sell the site I thought this would take months you know since it's already like a it was a $200,000 site I mean you know but I I put it up and I was just expecting that it would take a few months um I didn't think it would sell like within a within three weeks of like of being on you know on for sale so uh but yeah I I initially didn't to sell it but it just happened to sell like all whatever it's time to work on a new project dang so like you you just had this idea like okay selling it does sound cool I have no idea when that's going to happen and so I'm just going to put it up there now and then 3 weeks boom you got $200,000 right pretty much yeah that's exactly what happened I was pretty freaking shocked that's crazy H how did you sell it why was it so easy like did you use a broker or did you did it yourself yeah I I used ire flippers sell it I this the one broker I I know F International the other one but I haven't talked to them yet but yeah I just I've been following them for a while I like all right you guys I'll let it up on your site see what happens and um yeah um I think probably one of the reasons why it sold really fast um was because it was listed at a relatively low multiple compared to the income it was just about it was about to get on average you know um and also if you look at like if you if you were saw like the the the earnings like on the chart like from march to like the day of so like it was one of those like classical like uh like curves up curve up things like you know like crazy Spike sure um so but that Al of course that all had to do with traffic the traffic was going really really high and that's why the TR income was also going high too okay cool so like Empire flippers usually re uh figures out their selling price they take your monthly profit and then they figure out a multiple on what to multiply that by and typically I see like I don't know 20 to 30X depending on like whether it's black hat gray hat white hat like what kind of multiple did you get um so initially it was like a 28x and then um wait yeah yeah that's right it was so was 28x it was 28x I was actually blown I didn't think it'd be that high but yeah wow that's really good like yeah I've never had one that went over 25 but I'm like full blast pbn so maybe May it's like cuz you mixed mixed it up so much you had like such a good big site so many like really good things going on for your site and quality content that someone just saw an opportunity and just like yes this is mine yeah Pro probably yeah that's not sure what was going through the person's head but um I think they were uh I think they they're pretty optimistic and for good reason too yeah yeah were there any challenges in getting it sold like did you have to jump through any Hoops was anything difficult in the process process um no not much just the fact I just used a lot of like different tracking IDs the site you know I never went into optimizing like different pages for the revenue um but I initially started and I recommend anyone anyone actually want to have like a full-time crazy site you want to go and track the um uh individual pages and with different with different tracking IDs and that's pretty much what I did I had over aund about a 100 different tracking IDs so I had to go actually out there and manually change them uh and a lot of them were actually short cods so you have to actually go out there and manually change individual short cods into like full Amazon links so that took a little while man yeah all right well I mean that's okay not too bad um iide for that man it's everything else went like really smooth okay cool and I've used Empire flippers a bunch of times did they make it pretty painless for you dude it's really easy man the people are actually really chill and um everybody talked on Skype through the whole process was like like what's up man I was going there's like almost like a friend pretty much like a friend so it was really cool they got that vibe to their company yeah shout out to Joe and Justin from Empire flippers so okay I got a really the question that everyone's going to be waiting for is what are you going to do with that money or if you've already done something with it like what what have you done what have you done with 200k okay so for the 200k I gota clearly obviously put some money away taxes but aside from that I I wanted I wanted to get myself like a car I've been driving to Prius forever since I was an Uber driver but um I finally pulled the trigger on a BMW I got a used one really good price so I'm really happy about that um but what I'm going the rest of the money I'm going to use that to invest into offline projects um I have I'm looking with my friend into um into like a motel and also some other real estate kind of deals uh we're not really too sure exactly what to do with um which deals we're going to go through which one we're not going to go through but offline and real estate for sure um and then of course like I said other projects online projects you know other big sites stuff like that very cool yeah I I actually want to talk to you offline like that's my entire strategy make money online then shift it on offline with low risk so we can like banter back and forth about that I have to ask uh what are your new projects uh what are your new plans with SEO are you still into it are you still going for it oh hell yeah man like I can see how fast you scale things up so like that's what I want to do man like reach a certain income you know per month and like use that uh money to buy more websites and then use that and on top of that use that money to invest into real estate and uh kind of build up like that only my like slight Empire online but also like a almost like a real estate Empire so that's what I want to do man ultimately it's like my grand plan awesome awesome plan yeah carry that momentum going forward well I just wanted to give you a big thanks for meeting with me and sharing everything that that you had you've been like an open book and I think everyone really appreciates that so thank you very much my friend yeah no problem man I'm I'm really happy to have this interview man just hopefully I teach some people some really useful tips and yeah and and thanks everyone for listening thanks for stopping by I hope to do more of these case studies as I feel they're pretty helpful for the folks at like all levels whether you're a beginner or you have some experience like even even myself I've personally never sold a site for as much as 200,000 so I've learned a lot from Ian himself so um I hope you feel the same come back soon and again thank you very much Ivan Take Care thank [Music] you