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all right I think we might be live now hopefully we are uh good morning everybody and welcome to our stream this morning we're glad to be here with you and we have some fun things to talk about this morning uh so if any of you guys have any questions uh we are going to be doing some Q&A in this chat uh just going to be hanging out with you guys so get your questions uh thrown into the chat and we will get some of your questions answered yeah we're trying a new streaming software yeah yes fingers crossed it goes a little better than it has in the past um hopefully we did a test run yesterday we're using Riverside and so that uh seems to have worked a little bit better um it looks like that's PR showing black yeah it it sometimes will take a good 20 or 30 seconds to pop through maybe maybe we're still going let's make sure where we are excellent connection yeah apparently yeah we'll give it a couple more seconds make sure that we are live oh they say they can hear us but not see us all right good to know all right well we are are going to try and figure out why we are seeing the 99% uploading of live recording uh yeah we're that's just how uh they do it on that side on the e um list said recently we asked for video submissions for a new data thing we are working on uh yeah so I don't want to spoil too much CU we're making like a couple videos about this but we the idea behind it is we kind of wanted to figure out like if people are are perceiving their own work accurately because often when we're planning videos we ask ourselves like are you guys um feeling really discouraged or are you maybe feeling kind of overconfident and you don't think you need certain things maybe you think that your thumbnails are great the way they are often I feel like our audience doesn't do that too much um or doesn't do this too much but often people on YouTube will say like the algorithm just hates me like my videos are perfect there's nothing I could fix and the algorithm hates me and usually pretty much always the algorithm doesn't hate you it's that your videos aren't quite entertaining or helping people that people aren't watching your videos cuz um you know the audience doesn't like your videos not the algorithm um I don't think that our audience you guys specifically do that very much I think you guys are always looking to improve for the most part but we are just trying to like get a feel for how much people um are aware of their own shortcomings or maybe they think they're worse than they are in certain areas so what we did was we um asked a bunch of you to rate your own videos and then we took those same videos and had you rate each other and um if anybody participated in that I like just wrapped up the data but I could go back through it again today if you want to check your email again for the follow-up study um I think there was like five of you that that missed the follow-up study and how other people see your content and what they would like to see more or less of um there it is we are good sorry guys for that thanks for being patient we are back now hopefully you can hear us and see us like Julia said a a little bit of a technical glitch we are streaming with uh Riverside today we we use Riverside for our online interviews that we do for our podcasts and things like that and so we saw that they had a live stream option and thought we would give that a go um and just familiarizing ourselves with all the settings so thank you guys uh for your patience there thanks Josh we we're trying appreciate that thanks for don't want to waste your time okay so we have been working on some pretty cool things Julia just talked about uh one of the the fun studies that we're working on um some upcoming videos that I'm pretty excited about um but that's not what we're here for right now we're here and we're going to be answering some of your guys's questions so any of you who just joined in the last few minutes feel free to put your questions into the chat and we would love to answer your questions we just wanted to hang out with you guys for a little bit today um it's just a fun way to start off uh are Fridays so uh hopefully you hopefully you guys feel the same way uh we really enjoy being on here and just seeing what you guys are going through uh what you're working on with your channels so yeah all right let's look for more questions um good morning from North Shores of Lake Area I have family on the south side of that uh any questions we could talk about um what YouTubers are earning oh yeah that was we just did a video on that yeah uh some pretty interesting results um I'd be interested to hear if you guys watched that one uh so yeah we did this video talking about what YouTube pays creators for like 4,000 for a th000 views so we looked at creators with brand new channels or who had just been monetized and we looked at some creators who had been monetized for a long time and we looked at creators in a wide variety of niches and we I don't know it was just really interesting interesting to see there were some things that I saw that I kind of expected uh like you know Finance channels typically have some of the highest RPMs RPM Revenue per Millie for those you aren't familiar um but anyway like it was really cool to see that even just with YouTube ads there are channels in pretty much every Niche that are doing really well um we did see some really high earners like in the finance Niche but we also saw some low earners in the finance Niche um then in some of the other niches we also saw High earners so I was a little bit surprised to see that even in niches that weren't what I would typically think as highly monetizable they were still doing really well I'm so torn on this one because on one hand it is so fun to dive into like what YouTubers are earning I love thinking about the revenue and how to make more money on YouTube channels and I love looking at this data on which channels make the most but then at the same time I'm afraid people are going to like steer away from doing what they love because they're trying to pick a niche that will earn them more money and I don't I don't want people do that but what do you think about that like do you think it's worth switching niches especially if you're on YouTube to make money like is it ever worth it to do a niche that you're not in love with because it has more earning potential um I don't know that that one's also really tough I feel like and maybe I'm wrong here I'd be interested to hear you guys' thoughts on this but it feels like to me that if I'm looking to make money with something it means that I'm going to have to put a lot of time and effort into it right yeah and if that's the case then it has to be something that I like and I think just the love of making money for some people will be enough no matter what the niche is um but I've and I've put myself into that category for a long time just like you know I love side hustling I love making money and you know it's something that is fun to me but I found that the topic or the niche or the industry that I'm working in does really make a difference yeah and so I would almost say that if you are willing to put in a ton of work and it's something that you're really interested and passionate about you can find a way to make money if you can get the audience in that you know in that space then you can find a way to monetize the audience of course there are going to be some outliers there uh things that you just can't make money with but overall I'd love to see people doing what they love especially since YouTube is such a creative Endeavor um even if you're making very educational videos you know like helpful tutorial type videos you still have to be interested about it um and some of you might say well I'm a nce that I don't care about and it's working for me that's great that's awesome I just don't know if I could do that yeah I think that in a way your earning potential is higher if you really love your Niche yeah you know if you're picking like a niche that maybe is typically hard to monetize but you love it versus one that's typically easy to monetize but you don't love it but you're just doing it for the money I think even if you're just doing it for the money you're going to make more on the one that you love because you're going to be able to get inside the head of like your viewer and know like oh yeah I would be tempted to click on that cuz that's interesting so my viewer probably will too and things like that like it's just too hard to make content for people you can't relate to I think yeah couple good comments here um the Eerie fairy tale said I couldn't imagine a better way to make a living than reading and talking about books like I think that's a perfect example it's I love to see that you love what you're doing um I think that's really really cool they say there's also patreon probably can't see those earnings or sponsors so that's a really good point that was something that we actually talked about in our video you know when we're talking about um EPM you know like earnings per Millie um all the numbers that we saw in that video that we made it was all just what YouTube was paying so you're right that it wasn't talking about sponsors that wasn't talking about patreon that wasn't talking about info products it wasn't talking about physical products wasn't talking about you know all those different ways to make money that we talk about it didn't take into account any of those and so you're totally right you can make way more money than just what YouTube pays you with ads so even if you have a channel and you're making $2 per thousand views it doesn't matter you know if you can get a good enough audience you could find some other way to monetize that audience you don't have to make 10 20 $30 per thousand views on YouTube in order to be successful yeah yep um movie World asks what type of products or service can I provide to my type of audience who loves movie updates other than patreon and stuff I think patreon's probably is your best bet but there might be more options in the patreon than you're currently thinking of you know I think almost anything that would work for you probably could work within patreon so maybe just try to be extra creative about about patreon um I I don't know if you do any like commentary on movies that are already released or if you're like if it's just newsy but if you did like commentary or something you might be able to um kind of like analyze and comment on someone's favorite movie and say you know if you're a patreon member you get one of these a month or maybe it's um a onetime like cost thing where they pay you I don't know $20 and then you make a quick little easy video maybe no edits about like yeah I watched your movie or um here are my my thoughts on it here's what I what I think the meaning is or or what they did with this directing or whatever um maybe maybe merch that gets complicated with copyright stuff but if it's Unique enough like if it's just a little quote from the movie or something put on a mug I mean you can do that I've got all kinds of lost paraphernalia with different quotes from The Lost so like you'll get away with that um yeah those are so many ideas it's hard I I wouldn't just like rule out patreon though um or or just put up patreon and be like okayy well that's done what next um it's cool that you are looking for other ways to monetize but you might really be able to like lean into the patreon is kind of what I'm thinking what do you what do you think D yeah I would probably say the same thing you know I think the beauty about multiple types of monetization is that you can try different ones um but I think most people find that one or two ends up working the best yeah and so you know maybe you do try affiliate for a while and just see how that works maybe that does well for you maybe it doesn't um you know maybe it is that patreon is your best option and the best way to make more money with patreon is to you know kind of double down and figure out other cool unique offerings um you know I like you know we always talk about consultations or things like that I'm not sure where that would fit in for you in your Niche um but you would be surprised what people are willing to pay for and I don't I don't say that in a way where it's like you should just take advantage of them find out like a real value you know proposition and like I said not without totally knowing your Niche and being super familiar with it I don't know exactly what that would be um but if especially if you have you know people watching your channel and if you could have some sort of email list um or you know if you have insiders or you know what we call our Channel makers insiders or what you call you know maybe your patreon members or something like that you could utilize that group of people to run ideas by and see what they'd be interested in potentially and then hopefully find something that works for them and works well for you um but you know finding the right monetization can be difficult um but is definitely a worthwhile Endeavor yeah okay I want to address this one really quick um life chats with Diane says how long would you continue to make videos with no to a few views been going over two years tried a lot of different strategies with no hints of anything working um I wouldn't give up completely if I were you but I wouldn't say like oh you just need more consistency just just keep publishing there's something wrong um I took a really quick look at your channel and I don't want to diagnose it without looking a little longer but I think there are things you could do um probably kind of the packaging of how you're presenting these ideas things that people would be more tempted to click on that are like a little bit less um General like I'm just looking at this one the transformative power of journaling it's it's kind of impactful right it's like transformative power that's those are some like impactful words you're not just saying like journaling is good but it could be packaged better um you might be able to do it in like a um kind of like a personal Journey storyline videos of like I tried journaling for 30 days and I didn't expect this you know that's something that people like oh I got to click on that yeah um or like you know five benefits of journaling nobody talks about that's probably not quite as good of a title but it'd be an easier video to make things like that like I think there are things you can do within this Niche you might want to Niche down a little bit more specifically um but I don't think you have to like completely trash your channel and start a new one or stop completely um if you can get into a community I think that might really help you get some feedback from people project 24 is amazing but it's um it's a paid course of course but if you can find like some free communities if you're not wanting to join project 24 right now um just to get some Fe feedback and like kind of bounce ideas off of other YouTubers I think that might really help you cuz you know there's going to be some big changes with any channel that's struggling um but I think you could stick with you should stick with it if you've been doing it two years you're clearly dedicated so that's one thing we've been noticing with the data that I was talking about earlier it's like you know people submit this data and they are consistent and that is really important so you already have one big piece there are a lot of other big pieces that you probably need to learn um and refine those skills but you're consistent which is one of the hardest things so don't I wouldn't say give up yeah yeah it's tough I mean especially after two years of working and it looks like you have you know over 250 videos mix of long form videos and shorts that's a ton of work um and it's frustrating to not see progress um but probably what I would say is you know as you look at your videos you know maybe go back to the very first video that you made or some of the very first videos you made compare it to what you're making now is it exactly the same thing is there any difference between the be you know where you started versus where you are now you know maybe you have made some little adjustments what I would say is over the course of 250 videos you know there should be some adjustments made so hopefully you see some you know differences between the two if you don't see very many you know maybe take a look and say okay I've been doing it this way for a very long time let me just try something else and Julia I think gave some really good ideas for the packaging or you know even some additional potential storytelling um anyway I think that like like she said like it's very important to be consistent and you know it's clear that you're doing that there's just a thousand other things that could potentially go wrong along the way and so figuring those things out is really difficult uh we'll probably do you know potential Channel reviews in the future maybe here on live we could you know take a little more uh deep look at your channel maybe now's a good time to talk about uh another thing that we're working on here so many of you were probably aware in the past we've had what we call our Channel makers insiders um essentially it's where we'll you know if there's any updates uh that are in going on in the industry we've shared uh Channel audits or video audits uh to you guys in the past where we will go in and we will um audit one of the channel makers insiders videos or channels and so we we haven't been really doing it for the past little while we've been pretty focused just making videos and um you know researching different things but we want to restart it um there's been some people who we've seen in our comments saying that they'd like to see something like that start it back up again and we would too uh we like being able to work with you guys more closely and I think the channel makers insiders is a great way to do that um because you guys decide if you want to sign up for it or not it's completely free um but you can just sign up and then you would get some resources and we're actually going to add a few resources maybe you'd like to share what we're going to have yeah so we're thinking that it'll be almost like a like a monthly digital subscription box so we're going to have um little bits of our podcast our YouTube podcast that is in Project 24 small Pirates of because we can't share all of it um just you can get like a sneak peak and then we're thinking things like video reviews and we kind of just want it to be like this mish mash but around what we're excited about because we don't want to just say like okay we're going to do a video review every month and going to give a news update every month we want to like lean into sharing behind the scenes on what we're really excited about so we thought well what if we just pick like a little bit of each of these categories every month and it'll change a little bit and then give that to you in kind of a bundle um as well as we're doing the community right for people that are non-members of project 24 there's still going to be a community where you can talk about what release that month M um for I think a limited period it won't be it won't be all month but you'll be able to get in there once month yeah so we're I'm really excited about that piece and one thing that I think we miss out here just on YouTube to some extent is that you know we have the comments which is great but it's not you know we'll post a video but then we'll still be getting comments on the video two three four weeks later and even farther than that and so there's not the discussion isn't always like happening right away you know and I think by doing something like this it with with insiders where you know we're going to launch this bundle every single month you know talk about the different things that we're interested about and excited about um but then you guys will be able to go in there and we'll be able to have a discussion about what's actually going on um and then it will actually be very relevant to what's going on on YouTube um and the conversation will all happen at the right time it's not going to be like a very spread out conversation so I'm very excited about that um we will you know we have links we can throw a link here in the chat um for the the sign up for channel makers Insiders um anyway that's something that we're really really excited about and hope hopefully some of you guys who are here uh can join us there and that will essentially put you on the list um for you know if we do if you're interested in a channel review or a video review or you know potentially if we do another big data uh data gather or a big study we'll come to you guys first uh to see if any of you are interested in participating so that we can take looks at your channels first so anyway lots of really great things there uh we're going to have kind of more details as we go and we'll be mentioning it in future videos and future live streams so if it's not something you're quite interested in yet uh don't worry we're going to we're going to sell you on it in the future because it's going to be good it's something that I would want and that's really the goal here it's like you know all of us are on different email lists we're you know we are all signed up for different things but part of the reason we've been holding off on this for quite a while now is that we didn't want to just put out a newsletter we didn't want to just put something out just to put something out um we wanted to wait until there was some offering that we would be interested in and that we would be excited to receive and I think this is it for me I don't know about you Julie I would be very excited to you know essentially get this for free like it's going to be a really great offering I have been on very few email lists that I like actually benefited my life rather than just like okay got to delete that or skim it and like there's nothing valuable I want this to be one of them that you're like waiting for each month that you are excited for and I want it to feel like it wasn't even enough like rather than wasting your time you know you spent 10 minutes reading it and it was worth three minutes I want it to feel like yeah we we wish you had more because it was only five minutes but you would have read it for 10 minutes you know what I mean so I think it's a lot more than an email list we're kind of doing it via email because makes sense for several reasons but we want it to be better than just an email so really excited about that yeah it's going to be really fun so hopefully a link for that uh yes I'm going to throw the link in the chat here in just a moment just put the link for regular project 24 somebody asked but that is not the Insiders one that's the the regular membership y I'll get that thrown up here in just a little bit uh Terry asks good morning to you both have you done any studies to see the results on incorporating AI generated art in a thumbnail how that's performing versus traditional methods I'd be interested to hear your take on that yeah we've done a little bit um a lot of it is so subtle you probably don't notice like probably in most of our thumbnails if you see my arm pointing it's fake because when I you know I'll take a thumbnail picture and point my hand however but it's almost never like perfectly framed right and you know it could be cut out Cody could cut it out and move it a little bit but then sometimes the portions are right AR right and things like that so Cody often ends up um doing that with AI sometimes I wasn't even pointing at all and he thinks I should have been pointing so then I'm pointing later um I want to talk about the other things so bad we have we've done some testing with some rather extreme AI things versus no AI um with the thumbnail AB tester and I'm not going to spoil it all right now because we have many videos to make on this but I will just say it does not seem to negatively affect it at all um from what we've seen with the a tester it's not guaranteed we haven't studied it enough and I don't think our data is perfect um but from what we have seen it does not impact it negatively at all even when it is obviously AI now I think there's a difference between like um kind of what we've done is we've done some like goofy AI things like one where my eyes were really big right so like that's a real person I think especially with our audience like a lot of you would recognize me that's different than just like a complete AI image I imagine those wouldn't do very well and we haven't tested it but I think just common sense can kind of tell you like if I'm scrolling YouTube and I see an image that is clearly like 100% AI I'm probably not going to click because I'm going to expect that that video probably has an AI voice maybe was written by Ai and it's just some AI voice reading read by some AI script with AI b roll I'm just expecting lower quality so use common sense but as far as like the algorithm I don't think it's doing anything right now there is that new feature on YouTube where they're asking you to disclose misleading AI content um I always check no on it for all of our videos so far because it's if you read the terms and conditions it's very much framed around like misleading people in a significant way and so my arm pointing to a whiteboard versus not having the arm there is not misleading people in a significant way it's not saying that there's a natural disaster that there isn't or that some celebrity did something that they didn't do right the details of it are a little bit uh intricate but uh you might want to to mark that as no as much as possible unless you really do have misleading AI I even if you're using AI I would be very surprised if any of you have videos that would warrant needing to check yes on that but read the terms and conditions for yourself we also have a Creator Files episode on that um if you want more details but that's yeah so anyways that one little checkbox the algorithm might be looking at but aside from that I don't think so yeah okay couple things here uh number one I did just put the link in the chat for channel makers insiders so guys if you're interested in that go check it out um someone asked here is income School the same thing as project 24 so yes income school is the overarching brand um but then project 24 is just the name of our growth membership essentially you know we teach essentially we're teaching internet marketing there we teach YouTube we teach uh we teach blogging we talk about Pinterest we talk about social media we talk about basically building out anything that could go into building out your online brand it's in there um so project 24 is the name of the system the course that we have um and then uh income school is the name of the company um so hopefully that makes a little bit of sense um movie World asks any suggestion on Instagram growth I'm stuck with 1K followers for the past six months I actually do have some ideas on this uh we just made a video about it that should be going out Monday m is that Monday MH saw some really cool results yeah on Instagram um yeah a video basic I don't want to spoil too much but the video on Monday I'm super excited about it it's been like a three four five month case study uh we talk about growth with YouTube shorts growth on Instagram Tik Tok basically there's some strategies that uh we came across that were working really really well tested them out saw some very interesting results so that's crazy it's it's rare that we have something this like kind of groundbreaking I think um we were thinking with a title for it and normally we're trying to like make an interesting intriguing title right like that's the business we're in is how do we make this sound juicy and this one we're like I mean just stating it there's like so many different ways to State it and it was like we couldn't not make it sound amazing we're like does that sound too good like it's true but does that even sound believable cuz the numbers here are just so crazy at the kind of growth you can get yeah um yeah I feel like we're always saying we're excited but this one is this one's going to be crazy Nathan put a lot of work into it and yeah hopefully the video comes off well um on Monday when you watch it uh will'll definitely be another comment so if you have any followup questions um I I think that we'll also do some follow-up videos on this topic um you know for a very long time people always talk about YouTube shorts a lot of time it's in a very negative way it's like shorts destroyed my channel can't make any money with shorts I'm not a fan of that discussion because it just feels like a missed opportunity um and so anyway to be fair right at the beginning of shorts I do think the algorithm wasn't really ready for it think that it was causing problems for people but I think as long since it's been remedied and there are still there's still some strategy there's still some reasons it can be a little risky or it can be done wrong I should say but like we are long past the days I think when the algorithm was just like completely not ready to handle the difference between shorts and long form I 100% agree and it's just like yes there are you know there's a right with there's probably right ways to do it and wrong ways to do it the same could be said for a long form style channel right and so I would rather dive in to YouTube shorts in any other way you know any other video type and say how can we make this work how can we make this valuable how can we use this to generate more Revenue than we you know were before I think that that's the attitude approach I'd rather take and so that's why we're we dove in pretty deep with this one and are going to continue U because there's a lot of people out there who want to be short form creators and I don't think no it doesn't work I don't that's not the answer I want to give because I think it can work we have results from actual studies we've done here this isn't just like a case study of all we've seen I mean it's both it's amazing but yeah we we've like proven it so yeah um you motorcycle said are we ever going to get a walk through of the new project 24 platform I'm lost can't even find out where to log in anymore I'm sorry about that uh we should have made that more clear for you we will we do have some walkthroughs coming up pretty soon I know uh Ricky who is primarily on the uh income school YouTube channel is working on some of those so we will definitely have that for you um if you are I'd love to give you a way to reach out yeah uh so that we can actually get that taken care of for you um I think if you email support at incom school.com uh we can get you sorted out because if you can't log in that's very problematic you should be able to log in so yes walkthroughs are coming uh but in the meantime support at incom school.com we should we can be able to get you helped out there yeah um let's see we have this comment I find it difficult to make meaningful shorts because as a format I don't like to watch them yeah that's understandable they are definitely not for everybody um they you know definitely apply to a specific group of people and some people like them some people don't um you know I I can say that there's a lot of things that I don't enjoy doing or you know partaking in but a lot of people do and there's a lot of money there and so it just depends on what you like and I think that's what's great about different forms of content and styles of content you know if you want to make an educational type Channel sure make an educational type Channel if you want to you know make a Channel where you feel like you know when people come on your channel they're hanging out with you or you get to go out and do really crazy awesome experiments or different things like that you can make whatever style of videos you want um and there's most likely going to be a group of people out there who want to see what you're making um that's what I love about YouTube is you can pretty much do whatever you want U within reason uh but people you'll find your tribe out there and I yeah yeah that's a really that's a really good point and I think if you don't enjoy them at all like you're going to have a hard time knowing how to make shorts that other people enjoy I mean maybe you could find some shorts you like more than shorts you've seen in the past give them another shot but yeah if you just can't find shorts you like then probably don't make shorts yeah okay there was a comment that we missed a little bit earlier that I just wanted to touch on really quick it was from the Eerie fairy tales uh they say I get quite a few subs from comment sections on other channels they pop over because of my comments so maybe be interactive in the general Community I never ask for Subs it just has to be organic I love this um I don't I'm not saying to just go comment on other people's channels just to get subscribers but I think you brought up and you highlight a really really good point here I love the idea that YouTube is a an incredibly collaborative space and a lot of times when we think of collaboration we think of going on another person's Channel or them coming on our Channel and then making a video together that is one form of collaboration maybe the most common and maybe some of the the best types of collaboration happen that way but going it onto other creators platform forms on their channels and their videos and supporting them and talking with people there there's nothing wrong with that in fact I love it when we get other people you know who talk about YouTube or other people in any of the other niches that we're in when we get to talk with them and work with them in a positive way I think that that is there's so much strength in that you know we were talking the other day about you know picking the right Niche for you if you're just getting onto YouTube how do I know what channel to create and we talked about the value of getting into a niche where there is an established Community um there's just so much value there and I love the idea of being Community centered Community focused and not just your own channel like you don't have to live on an island with your channel you should be reaching out and talking to other creators and I think just going and being positive in other people's comment sections is a great way to start and it does bring value to you it brings value to the other Creator it brings value to you it brings value to those who are watching love it absolutely all right uh Liz says I think the biggest mistake with shorts is to cut down long form videos to make them I film mine independently and they always do quite well for me I'm now turning them into long form collections yeah I think that there's something to be said about that you know for a very long time I was very very Pro cut down your long form video into a short repurpose right you know I'm all about that kind of thing I do think there's something to be said that short form content is just its own animal you know it's just a different thing and so I what the only caveat that I'd say there is it really does depend on your goal with shorts um you know if you're making one short a month and it's just like a highlight of the video that you did that month and you just really don't care about its performance and you just like making a short form video occasionally sure go do that but a lot of times I think you can do much better like you said you'll see better performance if you really do you treat a short like a real dedicated video yeah it's more likely to do better we even tried something where we'll like like watch a video and decide which part of it wants to be the short as if we were cutting the long firm video into a short and then I found sometimes you can more efficiently say what you wanted to say or like piece things together in a more natural way by just refilm in vertical instead of trying to cut that that long form video down so you basically like get the inspiration and almost copy what was in that long form video but just make a separate short instead of trying to like use the actual old files and content and I found that actually saves time sometimes to do it that way but yeah I mean obviously also planning content from the beginning that's meant to be short instead of just inspiration or repurposing has a place too yeah so many different ways to do everything it's so fun yeah I love that I think that's probably my favorite thing about YouTube and everything about YouTube is that there's just a lot of different ways to go about it um a lot of people will say there's one way to do it and you should do their way um I don't know if that's the case I'm I'm a pretty big believer in there's a lot of different ways to go about it and so that's kind of to me part of our job and our goal here is to highlight some of those different ways and different opportunities on YouTube sometimes we may find that we really like a certain way it worked really well for us and that's great that could be something that inspires you maybe we try something that you hate and you never want to try it that way that's also okay um I just love the idea that there's a there's a there's a way for everything and they don't have to we don't all have to do it the same I think that that's what makes YouTube great is that we can do it differently um it's really cool all right let's see if there's anything else that we missed here this has been fun I always like coming on uh to the lives yeah I don't think we missed uh waves and games said you'll find your tribe is 100% true yep love love that and it's hard you know Finding Your tribe isn't something that you know when you say it like that it's like oh yeah don't worry you'll find it's like okay yeah it's not an easy thing to do um and it's true it for some people it comes easier than others um but one thing that I think um that we should do and let's see it was that eie fairy tale said I'm a huge commenter everywhere um I try to take a very similar approach I think the more you the more effort you put into reaching out the more likely you are to find a tribe who kind of comes to you so it is difficult but be patient you you you'll get there yeah and appreciate the tribe you have like even if it's a tribe four yes it's a big thing that a lot of people forget I've forgotten when I've started new channels and like those four people mhm sometimes they stick around the longest like they really do and even if they don't but it's worth it to to Value them and kind of I think something people Miss is like start treating it like a tribe even when it's really small yeah rather than like waiting for some magical big number a TH or 10,000 or whatever like start treating like a tribe now and people will kind of catch on to that and yeah just nurture the audience you have yeah I I think I've mentioned here on stream before but when I started one of my side channels that I'm working on I think it was our very first subscriber said wow this is so awesome I found a brand new channel um and they have stuck with us for months and months and months and months longer than I would say the average subscriber would stick with us um and even for a while they like they disappeared for like three months and then they came back and they ended up saying they had gone through their subscription list and they had unsubscribed basically everybody but then they missed us because they felt Community like since that was like the only person commenting on our videos we would always respond back to them and we always would have discussions in said they ended up missing that and so they resubscribed to our Channel and I just thought like that's a perfect example whether it's one person or a thousand people it's like sometimes you can do better Community growing early on because you have a little bit more time maybe a little bit more just you know that's not a resource that you necessar have to pay for other than with time and so you can do a really good job early on my one of my family members uh just started streaming the other day and he said his very first stream he had someone come on and uh chat with him for like two hours just a single person like they were spitballing ideas and different things like that it's just like he told me like that made day um and even though you know we're working on other projects and I know he's working on other projects that get far more views than a single person on stream um the community matters the sense of community really matters it does it's like with what you're doing for that one person matters and even from like a selfish perspective you might think okay well it's not sustainable to like spend two hours to acquire a viewer no it's not but that one viewer especially early on are going to give you feedback on your channel what's going right maybe what they' like to see more they're going to give you insight into your audience they're going to be loyal in the comments and then your comment section is going to look more lively like you're going to get a lot of benefit from it especially in the beginning we're not saying like you have to spend two hours to earn a viewer chatting with them but like there are so many benefits that you're probably not seeing right off the bat so I like that example list is me says salad oh call very good call I like it I like it a lot oh is our uh Insiders is insiders a I think insiders is quite a [Music] salad no you think it's sandwich or soup I could see sandwich mhm because they're individual pieces yeah yeah but I don't know yeah I'm not sure could be could be soup yeah it's definitely like a it's not the same sandwich every month right it has different or not but it's not the same salad so it could be either one it might right might be a sandwich very thought provoking very thought-provoking glad to have you Eerie fairy T yeah welcome to insiders we're going to be very very excited we're going to be starting to put out some stuff pretty soon so there may not be any new updates in the next few days but don't worry things are coming um and I'm very excited for the the conversations that we're going to have there um couple things that we missed on Movie World said shorts are fine until they give you exponential growth that is one of the one of the concerns with shorts um Eerie fairy tale says if anyone else is considering doing book it's an amazing Community supportive and positive I love that so cool very very cool waves and gam says I ride a bike to work every day after seven months of riding and trying to improve Small Things each ride I just beat my best time by five minutes YouTube is similar change Small Things To Succeed love that yeah that's so true true truly yeah yeah we're making small tweaks all the time we like every day we're thinking about the small tweaks we can make yeah yeah and I I even think that sometimes when you make a change sometimes it's not the right change sometimes you try something new and it just doesn't work um but that's the beauty of being willing to try new things um and even if it takes years and years to finally reach the point where you want to be um it's probably going to be because you made changes you're very unlikely to get to the place you want to be by just doing the same thing over and over again um so be willing to change I think that that's important yeah consistency is like it's such a catch 22 cuz I think people kind of misunderstand that I think when I first started before I even work here I was confused about that it's not that the consistency is going to make your channel grow all of a sudden it's that it can't grow without consistency you know you can't make better videos if you're not publishing videos at all but the consistency itself is not really going to do any good you're not just going to like probably you're probably not going to just keep posting the same videos you've always posted twice a week and one day one of them is going to magically take off sometimes that happens but usually it's because you did something unintentionally like because the title was unusually compelling and you kind of just like stumbled upon it or something um the consistency like the algorithm is not going to just randomly decide that because you've been so consistent you deserve more views yeah there once you have a more established Channel there's something to being consistent for the sake of consistency but yeah it's it's about improving so that's awesome y um any more questions guys yeah be the Creator in a world of consumers really yeah people spend so much time consuming and it's kind of fun to feel like you're on the other end of that and spending some of that time time that you could be spending consuming actually creating awesome well I think that this has been a lot of fun thank you guys for joining us this morning I think we probably wrap up here um before we wrap up I'd love to know if you saw any improved quality with the stream just like technology wise like you said we're trying something a little bit new with the new streaming uh platform and everything like that so if that if there was any difference or any like tweaks or changes that you think we could make um feel free to throw that in the chat or even on the comments afterwards um like we said we're always trying to tweak and make changes but not everything is right not every not every change you make is right so let us know if it looks any better or sounds any better or feels any better we did get actually a new microphone uh so hopefully that helped a little bit hopefully the streaming thing worked we're still running into some internet issues some embarrassing internet issues um it's 2024 we can't seem to get highspeed internet around here so anyway thank you guys guys so much for joining us go check out insiders if you haven't um we're going to be posting more there get you guys some more uh information and content uh that we're not going to be posting here on the channel so and thank you again for watching and we'll see you guys next time thanks for being here bye guys