David Bombal and NetworkChuck - This is IT! EP 1 | Azure, CiscoLIVE, Devnet

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hey guys welcome back to network chuck and also david bombil david bumbles here with us to see hi David hey everyone it's good to be ya so why are we both here oh we're doing something kind of interesting so we we thought it'd be great to kind of start this weekly show I guess we're calling it a show where we just talk IT we have a combined experience combined the love for IT and everything that Cisco and Beyond and we just want to spew it out at you guys and give you whatever you need and just be excited about it I think with the name we came up with was this is iti think that's right David yeah that sounds good yeah so well I mean the audience can tell us if they think of a better name but that's what we did that's all we thought of if you guys think that's just completely moronic then let us know but the mentality behind that is we I mean we love Cisco we've talked about Cisco all the time but maybe you want to look at different stuff like right now I'm looking at a sure so we want to have it more broad yeah to get everyone in the party everyone in the pool so we can have fun with everything I do I think is anyways I think it's important that Chuck because the networking is changing like we I mean I've been saying that for a lot of for a long time you have as well we as network people have to perhaps learn other technologies but we also want to include other people so I mean if someone's a VMware person or someone's learning something else we want to talk about those as those topics as well so UK you must tell us a bit about your SEO stuff actually so let's kick off with that so tell I saw some tweets about you passing your SEO exam or something yeah yeah so CBT asked me to start working on Azure which I I've talked about AWS and stuff in the cloud and they had an opening for as you're like hey we need to do some stuff on that so I'm like okay I will do that cuz I I think the cloud is gonna be huge I mean it's already huge let's be honest here but it's only going to get bigger seen people make predictions everyone's gonna be in the cloud in ten years or whatever while I don't think that's true I think everyone's gonna have at least some infrastructure on the home base and some of the cloud I'm doing now just kind of dip my toe in the water checking it out I did the AZ 900 exam which is kind of just the fad like if you look at AWS the cloud practitioner exam it's similar to that one it's just dipping your toe in the water learning what Azure is learning about cloud and everything you can do with that which it's a fun exam and I'm producing the content for that exam on CBC nights so if you are interested in that exam you want to learn about cloud all then hey come over to CBT Nuggets and check my stuff out yeah it's it's wild all right because I've never really jumped into a cloud portal or done any kind of cloud implementations so looking at everything you can do oh my gosh that's crazy I mean just just from the pure networking perspective it's it's wild it's like whoa you can do that just from this portal what's how is it compared to traditional networking and sorry I interrupted you so carry on oh no you're fine it run me whenever you want David it's it's more like the Software Defined Networking we're already seeing with our stuff like with a DNA center or a Cir things like that it's definitely not more of all we're getting into a switch and we're programming VLANs and routers and such it's more drag-and-drop yes know what it does but it's it's powerful I think got load balancers they have firewalls they you can easily from the azure marketplace implement other vendors you can put in a Cisco 1000 B can do a firewall me it's it's insane what you can do with the cloud so one thing I learned about the cloud so far is that you can do all the built-in networking stuff which is fine it's great and it will do a lot of stuff but if you're a bigger and more enterprise company you're gonna use other vendors cloud offering so Cisco's firewall Cisco's routers but it's it's cool to see that the physical infrastructure you really could do away with that it's a reality you don't need it yeah I mean it's just it's amazing you know to think of it everything's virtualized everything's out there in the cloud so do you think like young guys who are starting out with CCNA should like really be seriously looking at Azure or AWS I think so yeah I just got an email from somebody and this is the coolest thing but he he hasn't got a CCNA yet but he's he was working on it then he decided to look at the end of us claw practitioner and he passed that and then immediately someone in his company noticed what he was doing and he got a system admin job within a week oh wow that's good so so it's a new hot technology and gosh it's I think we're gonna even if your company doesn't go full cloud we're gonna see some use of it and that's what I'm seeing from small to big everyone's kind of doing it like my brother I've talked about him on my channel he's been on my channel he just got a CCNA he's working for a company doing their Cisco wireless but right now he's learning it at us because his company is moving a lot of their stuff to AWS so it's it's it's not replacing but it's definitely happening yeah I think if you decide to learn some cloud it's only going to benefit you but you're still gonna need to learn and know all the stuff with CCNA hey you're not gonna check that knowledge at the door when you go to cloud you're still gonna use all of that it's just gonna be an asset so I mean is it more focused on like servers or is it like a lot of networking stuff on that exam that you did what was it like everything the exam was more everything so it's everything from learning what compute options are available so virtual machines containers serverless computing which sounds like it's not real and then of course all the networking options they sure has firewalls sure has routers and gateways you can connect via VPN your your local infrastructure to the cloud and then storage and just it's pretty much everything you have in your physical infrastructure you can move to the cloud without much difficulty it's kind of crazy I mean it's interesting what you're saying because it's I've seen this trend in networking I mean there's obviously roles that are very specialists if you work for an ISP you're going to be a BGP guy and that would perhaps will be your focus but a lot of people in the enterprise are having to become all generalists I mean you mentioned like containers VMs storage and networking in one sentence yeah so I I had the benefit early on my career where I work for a company where is a bit smaller so if you're a network guy you also are a systems guy and your VMware guy and you're an email guy and if one of those guys aren't at their desks and you don't know much about it what you have to about it real quick to fix it and I think that's when you go to a bigger larger enterprise company you can become more siloed you have the VM guy and the and the networking guy but I think those even at the largest companies are starting to blend yeah we're seeing more DevOps type guys and especially with networking you're having to just kind of expand into different areas which I think it's just it makes it more fun it might be scary you might make you go oh well I'm a Cisco but no no don't don't just be a Cisco guy be an IT guy yeah and and your passion will extend to other areas don't worry I think this is why the name for our show when we spoke about it is important because we're not just gonna be pure Cisco IT is a is a big topic and there's a lot of pieces that even networking guys need to know today so I mean it's really good I mean so what would you recommend the typical questions you and I get asked all the time so CCNA and then go do a show or should i do CCMP and then go and do as your AWS what do you what do you think odd questions and they always hate this why answer we always give you know it depends but it truly does I the way I make my decisions and I've made my decisions in my career is what's gonna give me the most most value for my company right now so it's kind of hard to answer if you're just studying and you don't have a job yet but if you're in a company and you just got your CCNA and you notice they use Azure or they use AWS and you can ask around hey are we moving that direction what's the job outlook could I move into that area and they say heck yeah we need somebody well then I think your vision is pretty clear jump into AWS and jump into Azure it's gonna benefit you and skyrocket your career like you would not believe yeah I did that I did that with collaboration and voice I didn't know what to think about voice when I started my CCNA but they said they needed somebody so I said I'll do it and that's what that was the catalyst and so I I didn't just end up managing voice ended up managing a lot more but I got into that role of being an admin so much faster because I decided to do something that was maybe not very popular or they just had the need but if you're not in a job right now and you're kind of just curious I say just keep going with CCNA maybe dip your toe into the water look at the getting level cloud certifications they don't take long like I got my AZ 900 within like two weeks oh wow it's it's not like you know I've been doing stuff for a long time so if you're new an IT a it might take a little bit longer I I have my CCP so I've got a breadth of knowledge in a bunch of areas and it's easy to apply that to but other technologies but yeah it's I would dip you toe and then specialize further in Cisco just but you may end up falling in love with cloud and you may want to go further either way you're gonna win so I just say I say keep yourself broad in some areas but go deeper in other areas so CCMP I think is a must if you want to be is yeah well no sir I'm hugging the question this time but I mean we'll come I know you wanted to ask me some stuff about Cisco live but I wanted I wanted to say something and I want to ask you about your CC & P I think you know this I get these questions a lot like this question that I asked you and I'm sure you get the same and I think it's people forget it's not an it's not an all it's not like you have to do a WS all ccmp what's stopping you doing both I mean you might decide to do one first and then the other but there's nothing stopping you you know looking at both and I always say you must do what you enjoy you know if you hate AWS or DevOps then don't do that because you don't want to spend your life doing stuff you hate yeah absolutely I mean I would have hated if I had never like looked in this is good I like most people start out with CompTIA and I would have really hated myself I'd never looked in the Cisco it was all brand new to me so just brought it just give yourself a taste of what's out there and yeah you're right you can jump in this AWS and then go right back into CCP you're not gonna lose from that just gonna gain just gonna win so yeah that's a great point David yeah I think it's you know you mustn't limit yourself I mean I get the question all the time should I learn Python should I learn CCMP it's like what's stopping eating both I mean it's time I think is the biggest hindrance for most of us but there's nothing stopping you looking at one a little bit and seeing if you really enjoy it and then if that's what your passion is and that's what you enjoy then spend more time on that piece like I mean you have you big into collaboration but so what's happening to a collaboration Chuck are you like moving out of collaboration into cloud no no is he I I've been working on it for a while and it's it's definitely my heart I love it but I have taken a break from it just because I want to do more and new stuff like how what we talking about it's fun to learn new things I've been doing it for so long it's just like yeah I'll see what's out there um so that's reason I kind of move from there now with what you just said David I wanted to add this you hit the slippery slope sometimes and you think about oh there's a bunch of Technology I want to learn so much yeah I'm guilty of this and my brother's doing this right now but you'll say oh I think I don't learn AWS you'll start learning at AWS you might just kind of be looking at your study options and you're like ah I don't know maybe I should do CCP so you switch and go to CTV yeah let me let me go back to it no I just don't do that don't be in this indecisive little little loop pick one and go with it yeah I agree if you think if you think any of us is interesting well then get the first level sir you can do it within a month depending on what your time constraints are but just do it it's not gonna hurt you to delay your CCMP whatever you're doing for a month or two months exact can I change anything exactly anyways now I think that's really good advice I mean it's um you've got it you've got to have a goal you've got to decide what you want to accomplish I know you did that series on like setting goals this year and stuff I think that's really important you've got to decide what you're going to do and not get sidetracked you've got to have focus nothing stopping you like on the side learning a little bit about this but I agree uni if you're gonna like your ccmp you've just passed your t-shirt and become a CC & P so congratulations that's excellent news so do you want to tell us a bit about that I know you did a separate video but perhaps you can give us like a short version of you know why did it take so long there's a nasty question and no I mean it's and how did you find the t-shirt I love the t-shirt exam it's my favorite Cisco exam but I suppose that's just because for me I don't have to study a lot because it's just troubleshooting and I love troubleshooting but go on and that's exactly what it was like I didn't I didn't have much time to study so I just lagged a little bit and I was so surprised to find out that I remembered a lot of stuff from the routing of switching I I mean I couldn't go through and tell you all the OSP FLSA types and and and how stub areas do this and that me I couldn't do the the book knowledge for you but I could go in there in trouble sheet a thick stuff and that's exactly that exam was like the only thing I got tripped up on was when they would ask like when you do show IPO I think it was um show IP access list this and which command would be right this one or this one I'm like I hate that stuff yeah I don't know I question mark yeah that's that's what you do in the real world so the reason I didn't get my CCMP right when I should have why I started my CCP a long time ago like 2015 and I should have gotten it within like six months but like I said I I always focused on what's gonna give me the biggest opportunity where I'm at so at that time I was learning about collaboration I was learning contact center UCC X and the learning how to do that and learning that really catapulted me to where I wanted to be so I put my ccpe routing switching on hold I was doing CCP routing and switching stuff and my job I just didn't have a certification so at the time it wasn't serving my immediate needs but the reason I did it now is just because it's been nagging on me it's I wanted to get that so yeah it's just hanging over me I've got two tests done I'm one test away people tell me the t-shirts the most fun test I'm like what am i doing I'm just gonna do this right now so I studied I set my I set my goal a month and a half before I'm like I'm gonna get it January 15th I got real busy so I didn't study at all I think I looked at it maybe twice and then I crammed the last the last four days and I all I do is lab lab lab lab I'd went through a bunch of troubleshooting tickets and I failed the first attempt and because those tricky tricky questions and I was so close but I came back independence the next week and I passed it in a year right it was a fun exam it's definitely more hands-on and yeah it was it was just super fun I mean I think there's a lesson to be learnt there I mean what I what was really cool is that you you failed but you didn't think you got up and you waited did it and you killed it I mean that that's that's the thing I mean this is what I love about certifications it's not like a university degree or something were you if you fail now you stuck for a whole year before you can perhaps redo it was worth search I mean it was a week later and you were and you paused and I mean kids that you failed the first time you paused yeah yeah and that's the thing like you know the knowledge like you you already are a CCP in your mind that's what someone actually commented on Twitter like I thought that was so cool don't worry about if you don't pass the exam or if you do you're already a CCP you up here yeah you can do the job and that's people get caught up in either oh I'm gonna get my certification or they get real focused on the knowledge you should have both but yeah it's all about the knowledge it's what you learn it's what you take with you and what you can actually do on the job so yeah it's it was hard going congratulations thank you I mean you and you but you a CC VP or what Sasi CMP voice whatever CCMP collaboration sorry I'm showing my age you were that already weren't you no actually no no I wasn't oh you but you've but you did a lot of collaboration stuff here oh yeah yeah I mean it's it's one of those things where I could have gone for the certification but I was already doing the job that the certification would have gotten me so I didn't need it I'm already doing the job it would have just been like oh hey you get that certification it wouldn't have furthered me anywhere and that could be a debate to maybe should we should talk about that sometime because I think the the biggest problem with certs is guys chase the paper and that's not what you should be doing you should be obviously knowledge sorry going X like on my resume I could either had CCP collaboration looking nice and pretty at the top or under my job experience I had the projects I had completed this I implemented this implemented this they care about certifications because it'll show up in the job search but they say oh this guy's already done this this and this oh well he already knows how to do the job let's get him on that's what they care about yeah I agree I mean I think what you did there was very wise list all the projects that you've done it's good to keep track of the projects that you've done and what you've what you've accomplished yeah yeah yeah we should definitely have a whole session about that like what's putting your resume how you market yourself because if I were trying to find a job in the market right now I'm not looking right now but if I were trying to find one I would do it totally differently than I used to and I and I would have a ton of a different idea so we'll talk about that yeah that's a I mean that's let's do that Chuck I mean I'm the same for the audience again I mean if any of you have ideas or things you'd like us to talk about I mean we mentioned it earlier but again you know please comment below the video and let us know you know the kind of things that you'd like us to talk about absolutely we want your feedback because yeah we we're I mean and let us know if you want us to do this live - I mean what we're kind of on the fence about it this is this is prerecorded but let us know if you wanna do a lot and well we'll have you in the comments will answer questions inside should be fun but enough questions for me let's talk about you David you just went to Barcelona which was it sunny there was it nice it was nice but I was inside like a big building most of the day so I didn't seem to sound very much ah but it was good it was nice but she were in the light of Cisco and in dev net and you were just bathing in that light so how was it just in a nutshell I know you've you've made a billion videos about it but in a nutshell what was your total takeaway from this I think it's I regret not going earlier I mean same as you but was my first this year this time and yeah I think lost last year you went for the first time yeah I think for me the biggest coolest thing was meeting people I didn't go to any sessions because it's all recorded so you could see that online anyway but I just met people and I think physically meeting people is fantastic and just like some of the people I met was just random but it was great it's great to meet people Grady you know form relationships with people so to me that was there was the the best part of the of the experience I mean obviously all being around all the technology and being able to talk about OSPF and BGP and people not thinking you crazy is also nice yes so someone more than just your wife who doesn't care yeah poor wives you know I feel sorry for them but yeah it's it's you know it's it's heaven for nerds kind of thing a little bit I think it's nice to be an environment where everyone is excited about the technology excited about doing something with their careers it's just a good good vibe I don't know how you found it in the US but that's how I found it in Barcelona oh yeah it was intense I mean it's like I remember when I worked a regular cubicle job and many times I was the only cisco guy there and i was so passionate about I look what I was doing and I wanted to talk to everyone about new things I was trying but I don't care but so like I would go talk to helpdesk guys you're off hey look what I just did he's like yeah go away I don't care but Cisco life I mean you're around people who are just like you and and you're all excited by the same thing so it really is like it's like comic-con for Cisco nerds and it's it's really it's insane but what I want to know about it because I experienced a little bit of time and Dev net yeah but you you pretty much set up a tent there and you live there so what where does your takeaway Deb that's been evolving and changing so what is exciting now what's happening now and how do you feel about deafness yeah I think you know the the definite zone grows every year from what I've been told they had this new thing called start now and I was spending a bit of time there hanging up there it was good to have a section where people who just want to start who aren't sure what's going on could go to you and that's what that sort of section was about what I really liked about the Devan it guys is and I think it's I met Susie who's in charge of definite and I think a lot of its based on her leadership she is all about what can they do for developers in the community so it's very focused on give stuff away for free Cisco want to definitely want to do everything they can to empower network engineers and developers to succeed and I think that mentality comes across and everything they do like the workshops that they've that they've created a very practical they teach you the basics of Python ansible you know a whole bunch of technologies it's all about and I hate to use the word but empowering people to you know go away and do something practically straight after attending a session so it was really nice to you know get that vibe from the definite folks very you know focused on Isis our customers in example getting the most out of our time there yes I haven't been to sessions before but I believe well they told me actually I wanted an interview Amanda who's one of the managers there they were telling me that when she presented the first time they stand was in a corridor oh wow so it was like just a corridor and there was like no place to present five years ago the team was obviously very very small they had nothing at Cisco life and now they insert of in the main place very big focus a lot of good vibes coming out of it so it's amazing how they've gone from sort of zero to this big piece in Cisco in a few years and they are influencing the whole of Cisco it's nice to see I mean there's this all everyone's talking about api's talking about development talking about automation you know the industry is moved with Sdn and all these technologies and I think definite were the right people at the right place at the right time and are growing from strength to strength so sorry it's a it's really cool it was nice to be there yeah and that was the takeaway I got to like it was exciting it felt like it was the forefront like I walked away from dev net at Cisco live thinking this is what's happening here for everyone like this is a long way to go but then on the other hand man just had lunch with a few of my old networking junior buddies I used to work with and they're they're both working for large companies managing large networks now and I always ask people when I haven't talked to him in a while hey are you doing it are you doing any automation are you doing any kind of code in your network and they both told me no and I thought that was interesting I'm like huh I hear I'm thinking cuz I I deal with new stuff all the time just like you dealing with learning new stuff and were like oh let's try dev now let's try coding let's try Python but for a lot of real engineers working with large networks I wonder how much coding are you actually doing and are you doing any at all so and in the comments let us know I mean we've been talking about this a lot but I I know Devin is pushing for it and I know they're definitely on the forefront of that but I'm just curious what the adoption is like and what the what the use case is I definitely see how we can automate deployment if we're doing large deployments and you can put in your own custom code or download samples from dev net but in a big large enterprise where a lot of things are kind of controlled do you even have the option for using custom code or you using different things I think it's interesting it's it's it's I don't know if it's just resistance to change or if it's gonna be changed in a different way that we're not expecting I don't know I think it'd be good to get people's feedback you know what people are doing in their day to day jobs so like you said you know please put comments below the video let us know what you doing but Chuck I think the it's still new I mean you and I are on a bubble in a way because we are dealing with new stuff all the time but um I can tell you this I mean that I put some YouTube videos up about Python and they've had hundreds of thousands of views and the feedback I get from people is once you try it you will not go back and I think that's the thing you've fought a lot of people it's a big hurdle to get over but once you've tried automation you won't easily go back because why would you configure devices manually if you can automate it it's like do you I like to use a silly analogy once you get a washing machine or a dishwasher are you gonna go back to washing dishes manually I don't know maybe but um I think for a lot of guys you know if they've got three devices in their network it's a very small business then automation may not make sense but if you've got a hundred five hundred thousand devices it's going to make sense mmm yeah I agree there yeah I think these examples I just use where my two buddies work for large enterprises I I don't think they have the ability to do like they mean they're smart guys but I think they had the ability with the constraints of their company to do stuff like that whereas like I I see more people who are we're working for like VARs value-added resellers just go resellers you go to a lot of companies maybe do vast deployments that are kind of repetitive so I see the automation and it's just shining in those situations but for the enterprise guy I think it's gonna be it's gonna be interesting depending on each they might take time yeah and I mean it's your choice on it so it's a cultural thing some some organizations will take longer so I get you had a great time I just go live you had a great it was good doughnuts so what are you what your personal takeaway what are you focusing on now what courses are you creating if I can ask that like what you can I mean as you so it's interesting I mean it's of course I probably want to do because I had a lot of good feedback is Kelly Linux that's what I'm going to work something I've been wanting to do for a while and I just never had the chance so I think Kelly olynyk's will be good and then I'll probably do something similar to you do AWS all more Python ansible depending on what people want I have a lot of requests for CCMP all the time so yeah my list is long like your was better probably priority will be Kelly Linux and then AWS /c TMP haha and those two come close together as far as what they gonna do for your career yeah I've got Kali Linux running on my Raspberry Pi right now actually that's a fun distribution yeah I mean okay I mean I don't want to punt the course that I'm gonna be creating but I can tell you what it's about I mean there's a lot of Kali Linux courses out there but they tend to be focused on server guys not network guys and it's the same with my Python course I mean there's a hundred and one Python courses out there but there when I created my Python course there were no Python courses that I could find that would Python for network guys same with my Linux course there were no Linux courses for network guys so this would be a Tele Linux networking hacking course there's too many courses where the hack servers and stuff but not enough in network hacking courses so that's what this one would be about excellent say I don't know if you saw my video where I hid that cause we fight it was good yeah yeah yeah so yeah I I would love to see that I hate it when you get to a course and you're you're a network guy and you're looking for how can I use this as a network guy and you have to sift through a bunch of stuff that doesn't apply to your situation to find what you want if it's even there so I love that you do that yeah I mean that was my experience with Python you know the ID I registered and a whole bunch of Python courses and then they start telling you how to do mathematical calculations it's like okay that's cool but it doesn't really help me and so that's why I created that Python course in the same thing yeah you know you and I have a different paradigm and I think a lot of the guys that we talk to and you know our audience you know the people watching this you know it's we network people or you're not necessarily just a server guy and the no pains to the server guys I mean my apologies if you're a server guy that's cool because we have to learn your world as well now yeah we hope you're here enjoy take the take seat well guys that's our first episode of this is IT or name pending let us know and let us know what you think what do you want to see more of if you like this format let us know I mean day they're gonna be doing this more often Oh weekly if we can and it's just gonna be talking about IT we love IT you love IT and we're just gonna spew about this constantly so it's gonna be fine well David thanks for being here and you know Chuck's thanks for sits thanks thanks for setting this up I mean we've been talking about this for a while I remember we were on a call last year for like four hours talking about a whole bunch of things that was crazy yeah and I mean I'm glad we've finally done this and I look forward to many more and yeah as you said everyone give us give us feedback you know what do you like what don't you like what would you like us to cover yeah so um that's it yeah that's IT this is IT well guys oh well we'll catch y'all next time and I guess we need some kind of exit line give us an exit line too so kind of sign-off line it doesn't have to be fancy or it can be I don't know and some hash tag we need we need a cool hashtag I mean you good with that if anyone's got a good idea for a hashtag obviously we need some help so I helped us out guys all the base height was yes [Music]