James R. Mullen, Co-Founder of Aeterna Labs and Partner at Losai, joins us to share how law firms can break away from outdated models and embrace a future-ready approach. In this wide-ranging conversation, he unpacks the real-world impact of AI, evolving client demands, and why the traditional billable hour may no longer serve modern legal practices. What to Expect in the Interview: • How to design a law firm from scratch for efficiency, tech adoption, and client value • The shift away from billable hours toward outcome-based pricing models • How AI is transforming legal roles, research, and knowledge management • What law firms can learn from finance, tech, and insurance industries • Why clients are pushing firms toward leaner, smarter legal service delivery • KPIs, dashboards, and data-driven growth strategies in today’s firms • Practical advice for solo practitioners and small firms on leveraging tech • The growing influence of legal operations in shaping firm strategy Join and access this and other interviews and articles: • https://LegalOpsKPIs.com/ Join the 'Legal Operations KPIs' global community: • https://linkedin.com/groups/8162677 Get your copy of the 'Legal Operations KPIs' book: • Amazon: https://amazon.com/Legal-Operations-KPIs-Professionals-Operational/dp/B0CLYVGQ8N/ • Google Play: https://play.google.com/store/books/details/Mori_Kabiri_Legal_Operations_KPIs_The_Professional?id=VH7zEAAAQBAJ • Mori Kabiri, Author: https://amazon.com/stores/Mori-Kabiri/author/B0CL7WXVZ5 Get in touch: • https://InfiniGlobe.com/contact
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When you look at the services that law firms offer, it's evolved over the last especially over the last decade. Well, so I think the role of the associate is changing and evolving moving towards a way that they can become very efficient at providing the information to their outside counsel. Um, I think it's a lot of it is client driven driven. Okay, I like to use the uh the insurance industry uh as a as an example. They're creating all of that knowledge and that information and that's something that they started to recognize back in 2015 that they could start to harness and become better at accessing so that when you hire an attorney, they're not creating every document from scratch. Knowing what I know now, it would be recognizing that the pace of the legal industry is moving much faster than it has in the last few hundred years. [Music]
Original Description
James R. Mullen, Co-Founder of Aeterna Labs and Partner at Losai, joins us to share how law firms can break away from outdated models and embrace a future-ready approach. In this wide-ranging conversation, he unpacks the real-world impact of AI, evolving client demands, and why the traditional billable hour may no longer serve modern legal practices.
What to Expect in the Interview:
• How to design a law firm from scratch for efficiency, tech adoption, and client value
• The shift away from billable hours toward outcome-based pricing models
• How AI is transforming legal roles, research, and knowledge management
• What law firms can learn from finance, tech, and insurance industries
• Why clients are pushing firms toward leaner, smarter legal service delivery
• KPIs, dashboards, and data-driven growth strategies in today’s firms
• Practical advice for solo practitioners and small firms on leveraging tech
• The growing influence of legal operations in shaping firm strategy
Join and access this and other interviews and articles:
• https://LegalOpsKPIs.com/
Join the 'Legal Operations KPIs' global community:
• https://linkedin.com/groups/8162677
Get your copy of the 'Legal Operations KPIs' book:
• Amazon: https://amazon.com/Legal-Operations-KPIs-Professionals-Operational/dp/B0CLYVGQ8N/
• Google Play: https://play.google.com/store/books/details/Mori_Kabiri_Legal_Operations_KPIs_The_Professional?id=VH7zEAAAQBAJ
• Mori Kabiri, Author: https://amazon.com/stores/Mori-Kabiri/author/B0CL7WXVZ5
Get in touch:
• https://InfiniGlobe.com/contact
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