Inside the expert network training every frontier AI model | Garrett Lord
Garrett Lord is co-founder and CEO of Handshake, which started as a career network for college students and new grads but recently discovered something extraordinary: they were sitting on the world’s largest network of academic experts—exactly what frontier AI labs desperately needed. With 500,000 PhDs and 3 million advanced degree holders creating training data, in just eight months they’ve built a new business that hit $50 million in revenue in its first four months and is on track to blow past $100M in the first 12 months.
*What you’ll learn:*
1. How Handshake found an opportunity to leverage their proprietary network of experts to launch a data-labeling business that’s on track to blow past $100 million ARR in 12 months
2. Why AI models need human experts (e.g. physics PhDs) to improve, and what this “data labeling” actually involves
3. Inside the actual work: what a biology PhD does for 8 hours that makes GPT-5 smarter
4. The playbook for building a startup inside a startup: separate teams, separate offices, separate everything
5. Why the shift from “generalist” to “expert” data labeling created a once-in-a-lifetime business opportunity
6. Why AI won’t eliminate entry-level jobs—it’s creating “Iron Man suits” that make junior employees 10x more productive
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*Transcript:* https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/inside-handshake-garrett-lord
*My biggest takeaways (for paid newsletter subscribers):* https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/i/171410958/my-biggest-takeaways-from-this-conversation
*Where to find Garrett Lord:*
• X: https://x.com/garrettlord
• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/garrettlord/
• Email: Garrett@joinhandshake.com
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