No Lanes: How Claire Vo Runs an AI-Native Company on Her Own Terms

A year ago, Claire Vo told an audience at Lenny's Summit that PM is dead. She wasn't just talking about product managers. Claire — a three-time CPTO (LaunchDarkly, Color Health, Optimizely), founder of ChatPRD, and host of the "How I AI" podcast — joins Wade to talk about what it actually takes to lead through AI transformation: not through mandates, but through hard skills, cultural rituals, and the willingness to be wrong in front of your team. They talk about why CEO edicts don't move the needle and individual conversations do, how to frame AI as a career opportunity for skeptical engineers, and the rituals that actually stick — no lanes, AI Fridays, hack weeks, a "cringe" Slack channel, and an exec hackathon format Claire uses to get leadership hands-on. She also shares how she's built ChatPRD with more agents than humans, why she calls design the last unconquered frontier for AI, and what it looks like to hire for eagerness over expertise. This is the episode for anyone trying to lead in the AI era — whether you're a founder building lean or an exec still figuring out where to start. ************************ Agents of Scale is a show about real stories of AI transformation. Hosted by Zapier CEO Wade Foster, each episode features a candid conversation with a C-suite leader who’s scaling AI across their organization, turning early experiments into lasting change. From mindset shifts to automation breakthroughs, these are the untold stories behind the enterprise AI wave. If you're interested in real-world applications of AI, automation strategy, or how business leaders are navigating digital transformation, this show is worth a listen. If you like hearing how companies like Zapier, Klaviyo, Newfront, Gamma, and Gainsight are using AI to solve real problems and scale smarter, you’ll find these conversations both practical and inspiring. This podcast is a great listen if you're searching for topics like AI in business, enterprise automation, how companies are