How to become a developer in your 30s with Anjana Vakil [Podcast #162]
On this week's episode of the podcast, freeCodeCamp founder Quincy Larson interviews Anjana Vakil. She left academia to learn to code and got her first developer job in her 30s.
Anjana was an English teacher who studied computational linguistics, and found building software to be more fun than actual research.
She's worked at ton of tech companies and has freelance clients. She shares some excellent tips on learning new skills and avoiding burnout.
We talk about:
- How Anjana taught herself to code in her 30s
- Being an American dev working in Europe
- Stress, burnout, and how she gets by
- How skills from your previous non-developer career can help differentiate you as a developer
Support for this podcast comes from a grant from Wix Studio. Wix Studio provides developers tools to rapidly build websites with everything out-of-the-box, then extend, replace, and break boundaries with code. Learn more at https://wixstudio.com.
Support also comes from the 11,243 kind folks who support freeCodeCamp through a monthly donation. Join these kind folks and help our mission by going to https://www.freecodecamp.org/donate
Links we talk about during our conversation:
- "How to be the ideal newb" article: https://jvns.ca/blog/good-questions/
- "Burnout: The Secret to Unlocking the Stress Cycle" book that Anjana mentions: https://www.amazon.com/Burnout-Secret-Unlocking-Stress-Cycle/dp/198481706X
- Anjana's website: https://anjana.dev/
Chapters
0:00:00 Podcast Teaser
0:00:26 Intro, Spy vs. Spy
0:02:31 Anjana's Background
0:09:37 Building a Network for Freelancing
0:15:40 Navigating Freelancing Risks
0:21:31 The Value of Community and Support
0:27:28 The Future of Freelancing and Job Security
0:34:37 Economic Impact of Major Employers
0:41:29 The Role of AI in Software Development
0:46:35 Anjana's Journey into Tech
0:59:44 The Importance of Low-Resource Languages
1:10:59 Understanding the Recurse Center's Business Model
1:22:39 Navigating the Application Process for Outre
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Chapters (13)
Podcast Teaser
0:26
Intro, Spy vs. Spy
2:31
Anjana's Background
9:37
Building a Network for Freelancing
15:40
Navigating Freelancing Risks
21:31
The Value of Community and Support
27:28
The Future of Freelancing and Job Security
34:37
Economic Impact of Major Employers
41:29
The Role of AI in Software Development
46:35
Anjana's Journey into Tech
59:44
The Importance of Low-Resource Languages
1:10:59
Understanding the Recurse Center's Business Model
1:22:39
Navigating the Application Process for Outre
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